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A lot of bootcampers and bootcamps in 2020-2023 era tout a narrative that their graduates have imposter syndrome, but... do you maybe... think they are just actually imposters? Compared to cs grads

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u/fsociety091783 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Someone fresh out of a bootcamp that did the bare minimum just for the hypothetical 6-figure paycheck? Yeah. Someone who graduated and kept exploring and learning for a year or more after? Ridiculous. Is John Carmack an impostor because he’s not a CS grad? It’s more easy than eve

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I work with a lot of people who are desperate to find really good engineers. so if this is gatekeeping then we should try to explore why? it's so hard for people without CS degrees to get through. It's easy to say on Reddit that it's unfair and have a pile on, that's not going to help anybody navigate the system. The reality is that there are far too many bootcamp grads that look the same on paper. Codesmith grads coming out with one year of experience on their 3-week long project that all look the same. some of those people are pulling exceptional and some need more time to get there, but it's impossible for a human resource person, a recruiter, a hiring manager to figure that out. imagine your hiring manager and you see a thousand resumes in front of you and 600 of them are bootcamp grads and they all look basically the same. there's just no reasonable way to distinguish between them with the current system. A recent trend is that CodeSignal has been pushing these industry standardized tests to try to score people so that people can be compared a little more easily as a filter. still so many people that score highly that it's not a simple solution, but these assessments are a way for separating some of the exceptional bootcamp grads from people who aren't ready yet. now let's say you're one of the exceptional ones and you get through and you're one of 100 resumes that a hiring manager sees. It's just not reasonable for them to choose the person with no experience versus. maybe someone who worked for 2 years at instacart and got laid off and is looking for a similarly leveled job. there are absolutely a large number of bootcamp grads that will perform exceptionally and have major impacts on the industry, but the current system makes it impossible for those people to consistently surface.