u/Weird_Ride213 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
there might be a few posts by some bootcamp owner and employees on here now and then. But none of them are mods nor do they have a 1,000+ posts just in this sub alone attempting to control the narrative. ☠️ Also None of them scream “I’m not a bootcamp!! Don’t ask to see how an
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
This is a false narrative. If you think my narratives about Codesmith or Launch School or CIRR are false, you are entitled to methodically poke holes in the arguments with other facts and data, or opinions (stated as such).
1. I have to say we are not a bootcamp whenever anyone calls us one because we are tiny and have little presence so the public is mislead by those false remarks. The question should be why are people accusing us of being one in the first place and not dropping it when I explain so often why we aren't.
2. We spend very little on Reddit ads, we mostly spend ad dollars on Google search keyword ads to appear above Beyoncé's Formation album in results. You probably see the ads because you click on them and engage with Formation, that's how online ads are meant to work!! To target messages to people who engage with Formation for the lowest cost possible.
3. I can see how me posting so much can suck the air out of the room and I've been trying to post and comment less. If other commenters cover what I was going to say, I've been not responding.
4. There are some people that see me on pretty much every single Codesmith post and think I'm always on them. This bubble bias from people that only follow Codesmith posts. It's true I'm engaged in ALL of them, but I'm engaged equally in all topics, not just those.
5. I've explained why we don't have more outcomes, it's not that we don't publish them, we just don't have them. We track individual reported outcomes and we we report the average first year compensation increase over current compensation, which is increase of $109K in 2024 (see [details](https://formation.dev/terms#outcomes)). Because everyone comes in at different levels we try to focus on increases in comp. We have a FAANG senior manager right now, and an 8 year ex-Meta engineer as well , a 2 year SWE from a bank. Averaging the three's resulting salaries is MEANINGLESS NONSENSE and asking for it is asking for garbage. We have people coming in who have interviews lined up for a month from now and we have people coming in who are slowly preparing for a job hunt at the end of the year. Comparing their time to placement is MEANINGLESS NONSENSE.