u/Remarkable-Dot8225 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I think Meta and Netflix are the only exception to this tbh. Most other big companies don’t care tbh - Amazon, Apple, Google all hired full-time Codesmith grads I know of, especially Amazon (of course). I know people from Codesmith went straight into big companies like Salesforce
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
1. "I know people from Codesmith"... yes but if you look at all the Codesmith students you see that it is a very small number of people compared to the "3500+" alumni. Outside of Capital One, Amazon is a highest with a couple dozen, Apple, Google, Intuit, Square are single digit-ish special cases.... out of 3500 people. I'm not making any comments about Codesmith here, like if it can get 5 out of 100 people amazing outcomes then that's notable, but anyone who portrays that as the norm is misleading people as to how Codesmith works - that's my point. If I think you have a very strong chance of being one of those people, I will 100%, no strings attached, recommend you go to Codesmith, and I actively try to do that.
2. 100% agree Codesmith does NOT encourage any lying. It's almost awkward how they tell you so upfront "don't lie". But I thoroughly agree with this. That said, I cought the Director of Outcomes in a hard place... she said that they use LinkedIn profiles to verify outcomes for CIRR purposes if someone doesn't reply to surveys. If you verify LinkedIn profiles then you will see people who are exaggerating.... as I'm sure as an alumni you have seen, or you might not even be aware of what "exaggerating" means because it's such a norm there, and there's a hard question. If someone lied on their LinkedIn like the one I shared, that would be a placement under CIRR. So either the Director is aware people do this, and has made workaround to exclude them from CIRR data OR these people are being included in CIRR data unwittingly. Regardless of that, most people exaggerate their LinkedIns, in my professional opinion of what I think exaggeration means.
3. 100% agree with the Codesmith application method. I think it's much better than applying online.
4. I have a copy of a signed letter from a Codesmith leader for a background check that in my opinion is lying about the person's background. I also have a recording of a Codesmith employee saying that they sign off on letters of reference for people's OSPs covering their entire time at Codesmith. I won't back down from this because I personally believe this is ethically wrong. Codesmith convinces you that your entire time spent on at Codesmith was contributing to your OSP so it's fine to back that up, but I disagree and it's a difference of opinion.
5. I've seen all of the methods Codesmith uses for people to document their journeys and they are very ad hoc, not mandatory, and not able to prove, in my opinion, anything. Asking people to track things in spreadsheets doesn't mean anything.
6. I agree, it's one of the top 3 bootcamps and I always mention that and recommend people look into it. Why do pick on them? I'm holding them to the bar they market themselves at! Plain and simple and one sentence. If they call themselves comparable to an elite grad school then I will evaluate them with those standards. If they didn't, I wouldn't.