u/CIRR_Board wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Follow up thought here from one of our board members (Dimitri) after the close of our AMA: Schools will care about this if prospective students care about this. The more students who ask a school why they aren't reporting to CIRR or to see their outcomes reports, the more pressu
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Are you saying that people should be pressuring schools to join CIRR or pressuring them to be more transparent? Or are you implying that CIRR is the only source of transparency?
Rithm School and Launch School are best of the best bootcamps and both have a similar vision of providing transparent data and choose to not be in CIRR because of they have different views on transparency than CIRR does.
If CIRR is going to put efforts in lobbying to try to brand themselves as the only transparent source of bootcamp data, it's not surprise no one wants to be a CIRR member and don't reply to your emails.... the spec is full of issues and problems.
I don't even want to help fix those because you aren't open and transparent about how the spec is managed. You said you had a meeting to adopt the spec AND approved the results at the same time? and the new spec was published alongside results instead of prior to them.
Finally, of all the loopholes and clarifications that could have been fixed in the 2024 revision, the only thing changed was the 360 day time window... which is arguable more self serving to bootcamps than say fixing the reporting requirements for salary data, or clarifying how medians work (the medians are not the "median salary of a graduate", they are the "median salary of placed graduates who reported salary data" yet Codesmith advertises this on their website as 'Software Engineering Immersive Grads Median Annual Base Salary"
I know I'm being a bit of a jerk here and should probably backchannel this stuff, but I am trying to be open and transparent even if it's a bit awkward for me.