u/la-Crow-10 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Curious, I've seen good things about formation, but given the current job market, would you say most of us mid-level should hold off on getting a service like that until we have a bunch of interviews lined up?
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
This is my personal recommendation, not trying to sell you anything:
- If you have multiple interviews at "big tech"/FAANG-ish companies lined up that are about 1-3 months away, I would consider joining for 1 month, 2 months ($4500) or 3 months ($6000). The key is "multiple" becuase, as a I said, joining thinking you are paying a ton of money to pass one specific interview is not the right mindset to have. Lets say you didn't get any of those, we want you to leave feeling like you are still ready and feeling good about more interviews and that you got your money's worth. For people with offers, negotiation help alone can pay back 10X those costs, for others, feeling like they can pass DS&A, SD, hiring manager/technical behavioral/jedi/bar raiser interviews is worth it enough.
- If you are actively job hunting and 95% looking for a new job within the next year, but don't have any scheduled interviews, I would look at the $10K unlimited option. The first phase is getting all your interviews skills (across the whole spectrum of interviews) to the FAANG-level bar, fitting whatever current work/life schedule you have now. Then the next phase is helping you apply for jobs strategically, navigate the process, help with communications to recruiters, specific mock interviews preparing for upcoming ones, help understanding offers and how to talk to companies about offers, all that stuff. Kind of like the all-inclusive resort experience, we walk you through the process aiming to offer your a great experience, completed adapted to you, and you just try to get your money's worth.
Now scenarios you should NOT go:
- You aren't targeting solid tech companies/big tech/FAANG, or similar. We're currently focused on filling in gaps people have towards these companies. We don't game their interview processes by any means, but we're trying to help you compete for these jobs by levelling up your engineering thinking, and throwing dozens of mentors who work at these companies to give you feedback and advice. But if you are going to apply to companies that want more memorization of facts, or trial work-to-hire type processes, I don't think we help as much.
- You don't have any SWE work experience yet. We are confident in getting you to the interview bar if you meet our entrance skill bar, but because of the entry level market, we can't create jobs that don't exist and even referrals are not a reliable source of interviews we can guarantee to go through.
- You have one specific interview coming up, don't feel prepared, but don't plan on doing any other interviews either. Maybe do one mock at Interviewing.io for practice in that case. Unless you really don't care about money, then do 1 month of Formation. But I still wouldn't recommend. Because if you aren't close to passing and we tell you your odds are low, you might want to reschedule the real interview and then are in a bit of an awkward spot - do you want to just give up, do you want to keep paying MORE for Formation, do you want to expand your job hunt more broadly now, etc... like it can spiral quickly and maybe you should have just done the real thing and YOLO'd