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Does codesmith seriously get people "senior" level SWE roles with no prior experience?

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u/EcstaticAssignment wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

You have more experience than I do so you might know this better - am I just overestimating what "senior" means outside of faang-adjacent tech companies? To me, "senior" connotes a level of wherewithal and independence that's difficult to immediately have even if you're extremel

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I mean at the end of the day it's very irrelevant to most people and it's you can call yourself whatever you want. There's a Codesmith grad who is a "Vice President Software Engineer" at a bank!!! It comes into play on here, and I feel strongly about it, because you DO need to define your terms to compare apples to apples and apples to oranges. Codesmith's overall point is that Codesmith thinks their grads are "better" (their outcomes advisor says "Codesmith is the best" a lot) than everyone else. There was a panel where the CEO sitting (in person) beside Hack Reactor and other CEOs and said straight up that Codesmith was better because it's grads get "mid level and senior roles". They want to emphasize that Codesmith is not a "bootcamp" per-se and if they used canonical terms, they might get compared to the other programs. So I think that's reasonable in that comparison. But the downside is that their grads also for MONTHS AND MONTHS were attacking me saying that Formation was trying to "steal Codesmith students" as if it was a competitor or comparable because "Codesmith graduates mid level and senior engineers" and it's like a completely different world. The top 10% of students might overlap with the least experienced 10% at Formation, but every Codesmith alumni and staff member that has come to Formation says it's very complementary. One even thinks we should partner with each other!