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Council on Integrity in Results Reporting (CIRR)

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u/RachelMartinezCIRR wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

All CIRR member schools will have updated reports coming out in January of 2024. The reporting period is being redefined and updated to respond to concerns over the 6 month time line of current reporting and show a longer timeline of the job hunt and respond to the changing tim

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited
I know AMAs are a lot so I'm going to hold off commenting until a bit later and there's some breathing room but I wanted to comment on just this timeframe change right away so it gets read by more people: * Opinion: from my anecdotal conversations with bootcamp leaders, the H2 2022 and H1 2023 outcomes are significantly lower than in the past. I'm concerned delaying the timeframes will cover up the bad market in 2022 instead of acknowledging it transparently so that people can make informed decisions about such a bit live decision of changing careers. * Opinion: in anticipation of increasing the "hired by" range to 12 months from 6 months. Most bootcamps are 10 to 20 weeks long, which is about 2 to 4 months. If someone is changing their careers and going all in on a full time bootcamp for 2 to 4 months, and it takes an additional 12 months to get a job, there is A LOT that happens in that 12 months compared to the 2-4 months at the bootcamp. People might write way more code, do volunteer projects, do more courses or OTHER PROGRAMS in that time and all kinds of things within a whole year that could contribute to the person's outcome beyond the initial bootcamp. The bootcamp is the "seed" that kicked this off, but they shouldn't get credit for everything that happens in the 12 months after. The 3 and 6 month timeframes help capture the direct impact the bootcamp had on the job. * I'm bias here because my company works with a lot of people post bootcamp, and we see a handful of people who go to a bootcamp -> get a contract for 6 months -> come to us -> get a great job, all within 12 months of graduating from their bootcamp, and really the bootcamp played some but not all of a part in getting that permanent job.