u/dak78 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
i graduated from their part time program and got a job a little under their CIRR average early this year \~$130k. at least in my cohort -- people's job outcomes have stayed steady, although the job search is taking longer.f ​ there's been aspersions cast against CIRR,
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I'm someone who posts a lot of criticism of CIRR, the most out of anyone, do you think my comments are misinformation or are you talking about other comments. My comments are critical but sourced directly from the CIRR standards, worksheets, the website, and talking to one of the founders of CIRR, and not made up.
Most Codesmith students I talk to get their information about CIRR from Codesmith posts.
Some people do state misinformation about it on here but that doesn't mean that all criticism is misinformation either.
For starters, Codesmith openly doesn't follow CIRR's standard for graduation date as it considers PAID FELLOWS to not have graduated until the fellowship contract is complete and does not count them as placements, even though the CIRR rules are clear than any job after someone meets the consistently applied graduation requirements is a placement and graduation dates are supposed to be locked in on the first day of the program. Changes in cohort or delayed graduation isn't suppose to change that date.
This is violating the standards (as Codesmith openly discusses [here](https://www.codesmith.io/blog/codesmiths-commitment-to-cirr-transparent-reporting-frequently-asked-questions): ) but the auditors haven't stated this and sign off on the reports.
I actually think it's violating for good reasons because it would bring down results and look like Codesmith was hiring people back to juice placements, and their placements stand on their own. But it's also something I would expect an "independent" auditor that is judging the outcomes against CIRR standards to question and mention in their reports, which [they do not](https://static.spacecrafted.com/b13328575ece40d8853472b9e0cf2047/r/b35b1c749107439681950ac95498691f/1/Codesmith%20Full-Time%20Remote%20Audited-AUP%20H1%202022%20Final.pdf)