u/InTheDarkDancing wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
> Codesmith getting you those titles does not mean Codesmith makes you into a mid level or senior engineer. Only it kind of does. For some reason you're context switching and implying that the only senior engineer titles that count are from FAANG. Which is a fine opinion to have
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
Those people can CALL themselves senior engineers, their resume can certainly say that if they want, I would encourage people to do so when reviewing their resumes, but it doesn't make them senior engineers.
Do you not believe I've worked with a couple dozens Codesmith alumni later that have trouble with this?
The typical case is someone with a "Senior" title and 1 to 2 YOE on their resume. Depending on the company, but they will likely get a lot of interviews because of the Senior title, and then they hit the hiring manager interview and they get rejected.
I've seen some truly heart-wrenching cases - people passing the coding bar but the HM doesn't have any junior or midlevel headcount to downlevel and it's much more pronounced in this current market than it was before.
I then have to help the person apply to top tier mid level and junior engineering roles and sometimes the people push back and refuse to take a lower than "senior", ghost for a while and get into a really bad place.
Then on the other hand, I work with non-Codesmith people who undersell themselves and I help them build confidence and they go into these interviews feeling great, they appropriate mid-level jobs, and are thrilled.
But if you prefer former then go ahead and encourage what Codesmith does, I personally prefer the latter.