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A reflection of Codesmith and bootcamps in general

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u/noorofmyeye24 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

WOWWWWW! The audacity!!! I did NOT know that!!! Is it even possible to learn the skills needed for mid to senior roles in the span of 4 months?

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
No, it is not. I worked at Facebook for 8 years and now have thousands of acquaintances at pretty much every company. This has come up a few times in conversations when I've asked people their opinions and responses ranged from laughter to this is fraud. Sure, a bunch of gatekeepers in our towers laughing doesn't sound so good amongst a lot of people here, but this is not based on skill or ability but purely based on "the scale of systems worked on in previous jobs" needed to be at a senior level mostly in the technical side. Like you have to have worked on genuinely large systems with millions of users to build a patina of experience that is what the company is hiring you to be a senior for. They aren't hiring people able to solve big problems with new solutions. They are hiring people who have actually built products for millions of people and get unspoken nuance about that, or build infra for millions of people and get the unspoken nuances of that. Now Codesmith people who work at non top tier companies could get whatever title they want but that doesn't make them mid level or senior engineers when zooming out, as again, the definition of those levels IS experience. Codesmith doesn't make people with years of experience because they literally have 12 weeks of education and projects. So they are are entry level engineers. People who get bigger titles are entry level engineers still. They are taking people who get hired at "mid level or senior" titled jobs (or just get $120K at an entry level job that they call "mid level" for stats) and then saying that Codemsith prepared you for those roles in their marketing, but it's really a marketing twist on the definitions. Codesmith getting you those titles does not mean Codesmith makes you into a mid level or senior engineer. I work with a number of grads to undo this thinking and in my opinion it's harmful to their long term development and why I'm so adamant about this.