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Codesmith vs Rithm

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u/lawschoolredux wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Would you say HR 12 week (or any bootcamp, really) is still worth it in this climate? Or wait a year or two?

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I'm going through a dilemma right now myself and I can't give a well sourced, confident answer. I'm focusing on Codesmith because week after week I just get so much stuff sent to me, I know the ins and outs better than any program. At the end of the day, there's no 12 week program that can turn anyone into a really good industry engineer. I see so so so many people, covering all backgrounds and there are patterns between successful ones and unsuccessful ones but each individual is a unique human that is unpredictable! I can say it's extremely hard to get entry level jobs right now and there are no shortcuts, loopholes, "get rich quick" ways of doing it. I can also say that THE JOB IS THE BEGINNING, not the end. This is one of Codesmith's "dirty secrets" - people get highly paying first jobs - that they exaggerate their experience to get - but if you follow the alumni down the road, some people do really well and a number struggle immensely to keep up and then job hop from mid level job to mid level job. Codesmith has like 2000 alumni and 1-2 dozen alumni at Google now and 1-2 dozen at Facebook. Hackbright has like 1600 alumni (on LinkedIn) and 2+ dozen alumni at Google and 1-2 dozen at Facebook. Hackbright's initial outcomes are not nearly as strong but a few years down the road they are in the same place. Anyways, some random ramblings from my notes, but the point is that bootcamps need to focus far less on the salary of the initial outcome and far more on celebrating people launching long term careers in the right direction. Codesmith/and other top bootcamps aren't so much a career accelerator to replace 4+ years of CS education as they are a shot of adrenaline for your career that gives you a short term boost and then you either have to build the muscle yourself or keep shooting up with adrenaline to survive.