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Taking a low job offer to escape ISA?

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u/Top-Measurement-7216 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Calling dozens of detailed critical first hand accounts from current formation fellows about how unhappy they are or felt duped as "fake news" makes you look like an obdurate Bully and a master gaslighter. STOP blank dismissing the outpouring of negative feedback that your stude

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I would encourage everyone to spend time and fully read the 54 comments (of which 1/4 or so are my comments) and judge for themselves how I responded to their feedback. We have some people with no experience, you found one who had several internships but no full SWE experience, and that proves nothing. The other comment thread you shared has a person who loud and clear says they have 7+ years experience, and another person saying that most of the Fellows they work with have experience. And for the fourth time, you have our official data as the primary source proving this. **Yelling loudly doesn't make false statements true**, that's how fake news spreads, like in the 2016 election, which I saw first hand at Facebook. There are people with tons of experience who are weaker at DS&A and people with no experience who are strong at DS&A, and that's why everyone at Formation gets a unique plan that adapts week to week, because everyone is different. So someone commenting on the skill level of their peers has nothing to do with experience or their qualifications for getting into Formation or getting a job. Just because someone is terrible at DS&A it doesn't mean we are scaling our of control and letting anyone in. If you had 5 years of experience and a decent job and were terrible at DS&A you sure wouldn't want people treating you this way and telling you you don't belong to be somewhere. This doesn't at all dismiss the fact that people who are stronger find it a less valuable experience to work with peers who are below their skill, and this is a complex problem we continue to work on and improve. Our patented algorithm gets stronger the more people there are, not weaker. Read the patent yourself, it's public, or ask me questions to clarify, before spreading more fake news about how Formation works. You stated that "dozens of detailed critical first hand accounts from current formation fellows about how unhappy they are". People can read for themselves, count for themselves, and you are entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, it's extremely misleading and slanderous to say "dozens" of people are complaining on that thread when you can count them to check. Every piece of constructive feedback we receive is invaluable and we review each piece of feedback. I'm challenging you on stating incorrect information about what Formation's program offers and who Formation Fellows are, and I'm sorry if that was interpreted as dismissing everyone's feedback. If you are open to asking questions and learning about what Formation is, as I said, I'm happy to answer all the questions I can! We keep working with people until they get a job and we constantly adapt to the job market to fight for Fellows careers. It is heart breaking to myself and my team to characterize this like trapping and abandonment. Many more expensive programs are fixed length and kick you out the door after some time. We think this is a value proposition and if costs us a ton of money to do. If you are feeling down in your job hunt, we want to work with you 1-1 to stay positive and keep improving our support.