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don't go to Hack Reactor/ Galvanize - choose another BootCamp like codesmith or app academy - they're probably better

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u/SlowestTriathlete wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Oh my god - Codesmith does not ask you to lie on your resume. They encourage you to include something measurable but only if you can back it up and include anything tech specific. They specifically say to not lie, like a million times.

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
I hear you and appreciate your ongoing pushback, it's why I keep such a close eye on this. I understand your position is both similar and different from others. I've heard from people that agree with you and people who haven't, who have sent over anecdotes of talking to Eric. Or anecdotes of talking to a career support engineer to make their resume qualify for certain jobs I don't have all the answers but Triathlete I assure you two things: 1. I have shown OSP resume snippets to industry friends who think the way OSP are portrayed, even when disclosed on fine print, is lying. 2. we have done recruiter training at Formation to identify Codesmith resumes because they were repeatedly flagged as industry experienced engineers at application time because of the OSP portrayal as a work experience, repeatedly. I understand pushback on second hand accounts when you have first hand experience but you cannot tell me that my first hand account is wrong, that the majority of Codesmith people I've seen first hand do this. Maybe an analogy is if a pie factory. They are legally required to make 9 inch pies. For some reason they always sell only 2/3 of their pies and the other 1/3 no one buys. They realize the 2/3 that sell are actually unintentionally 10 inch pies and customers were just only buying the larger pies! Leadership is outraged that they are making illegal 10 inch pies and demands this to stop. And then for some reason 2/3 of pies just keep end up being 10 inches despite all of their efforts to stop this. Sure there can many reasons why.... but 1. it's happening. 2. if its happening, someone is responsible, and saying "don't make illegal pies" isn't enough. That said, I will continue to call this out specifically and appreciate continued discussion, it's complex and nuanced.