u/someone wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I'm not sure if I'm just confused about what you are saying, but to be clear, Codesmith doesn't not consider the fellows to be "hired" for CIRR data. This is probably in part because that would be shady but also because it would fucking tank their comp outcome numbers - fell
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
Thanks for adding more examples, I said it was not that reliable so would love to hear more examples yeah or more cases that they haven't increased that number. I also heard there are flex fellows who are not assigned to a specific cohort, but it might be a confusion of terms.
EDIT: they currently have 4 locations running at once with 2 simultaneous cohorts = 8 cohorts and on their website they have 56 current fellows (excluding instructors etc... JUST fellows). Which is about 7 per cohort. Lets be conservative and add in 2 part time remote with the same number of fellows and bring cohort count to 10. That's 5 to 6 fellows per cohort. So maybe you only see 3-4 but there are some fellows on the books doing other things, like interviews and career support, etc... (/u/bootcampben)
Yeah fellows don't show up on CIRR at all, they are basically students in a 12 week + 3 months program who "graduate" when their fellow contract ends.
I also agree you have to do something, and I think they are trying to be consistent and fair. But doesn't change the fact that it's a loophole in CIRR (well technically it's not allowed in CIRR and they are not following CIRR but their reports are accepted anyways)
EDIT: I want to keep reinforcing for anyone who reads out of context, but this is not a criticism of Codesmith doing something shady, it's explaining how CIRR itself has loopholes and issues and is not infallible (.... and nothing is)