u/Swimming_Gain_4989 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I'm pretty sure they don't include people who drop out in their graduation percentage. If you reach out to graduates on llinkedin you'll find that there are a lot of dropouts in the early weeks.
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Yeah if someone starts, as long as they have the intention of job hunting after, they are included in the report and impact the graduation rate. The placements rates and medians are all based on the number GRADUATED and not the original number who started. Finally, if someone is unresponsive to CIRR requests but they can confirm they got a job, they person is included in the "placed" count but not in the salary counts. So the way CIRR is designed is it tries really hard to make sure the salary stats are only counting successful people and have the highest medians possible.
This doesn't change the fact that Codesmith has very strong outcomes, but their outcomes don't include equity and bonuses and hence are somewhat meaningless, other than as a marketing tool. They are well aware how important equity is in outcomes and would make their outcomes even better but they support and promote CIRR because marketing wise it makes them look the best compared to their competitors. This is smart marketing and not a complaint, but I really don't like how people blindly follow marketing instead of applying critical thinking... especially people that aspire to make six figures applying that critical thinking.
Watch this to see how the base salary is largely irrelevant for offers if your placements are at top tier companies: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rceUVaiXQgU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rceUVaiXQgU)