u/Swimming_Gain_4989 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I appreciate this it's a very detailed answer, but I'm not sure it answers the question I was asking. Zac the interviewee claimed that 66% of his cohort graduated and 10 months after graduating, only 50% were employed. CIRR reported 91% graduated and and within 6 months 80% were
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Sorry u/Swimming_Gain_4989, I have to disclose that as the co-founder of Formation.dev I have a following on here and I try to answer questions more broadly for everyone and sometimes a too broad lol.
So the CIRR data is audited and Codesmith follows the process. Now CIRR is a business league non-profit, and auditors are not perfect, there are some small loopholes in CIRR but I don't think it's enough to invalidate the results.
I think some of it is perception. People who get jobs before graduation might be out the door and it feels like for SIX MONTHS it's the same old crew trying to get jobs.
That said, Codesmith cohorts have fairly consistent sizes and they have been "fully booked" for a long time. Yet the number of people included in each report doesn't add up to 36 \* a whole number +/- some wiggle room, it's been like all over the place. Now Codesmith countered this with "cohort sizes have ranged from 13 to 37 since we started reporting", but if their Cohorts are truly full at capacity, I would expect CIRR numbers to match.
This is a bit conspiracy theorist, but in the report I linked, 117 graduates in report.
If the Cohort is 36, 3 cohorts is 108 and 4 is 144. Now accounting for some wiggle room, presumably the cohorts were not 39 people large and they were 4 cohorts. Let's also assume they were smaller than normal at 32 people, 128 people total, still 9 people missing, which is \~8% of people.
AGAIN, THERE IS PROBABLY A GOOD EXPLANATION, but just trying to look for any hold to help come up with theories to reconcile.