u/SoManyCrafts wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Sorry I got busy and frankly as I don’t have stock in codesmith this is just a lot to read and respond to. BUT I’d love to recommend them to use the same folks who verify and publish your outcomes, so we can put this whole thing to rest. Would you mind sending me your outcomes an
u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
80K is the average INCREASE in compensation for people that had jobs prior. Not the average compensation.
I think that's kind of proving the point, we are not competing with them and there's nothing to be put to rest. A bunch of people have messaged me here about bootcamps and I've recommended they go to Codesmith given their situation, it's not either or. Others have messaged me about Formation. No one has said "I'm choosing between Codesmith and Formation"
Again, people typically talk to us about Outco, Interview Kickstart, Scalar, Exponent, and Pathrise - some of whom don't have pricing on their websites, let alone outcomes, but have had thousands and thousands of engineers go through their programs nonetheless. We're playing different games here and I'm sorry if my involvement in this subreddit is causing this confusion.
This is the best I got for raw outcomes: last 50 offers accepted unedited in order (anonymized startups all offered FAANG-competitive comp and were chosen over big tech).
Figma, Google, <startup>, <startup>, Amazon, Amazon, <startup>, Bill.com, Microsoft, Amazon, Bloomberg, <startup>, Front, Workday, <startup>, Microsoft, BitGo, Amazon, Jelly Fish, GitHub, Microsoft, Toast, Quantcast, Meta, CloudTrucks, Plaid, 1Password, Microsoft, Google, Meta, Google, Snap, Akasa, Atlassian, Pandora, Atlassian, Amazon, <startup>, Square, Capital One, Facebook, Amazon, Bloomberg, Intel, Microsoft, <startup>, Pinterest, Amazon, Apple.
I'm not joking when I saw that most of the people have giant spreadsheets to compare their personal offers under different circumstances and outcomes and it's just impossible to capture that in CIRR-like numbers that capture the outcomes.
We are exploring different ways at looking at the comp increase change (like the number on our website) as well as raw lists of companies. People tend to find the raw list of companies effective at demonstrating the range of outcomes.