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CIRR results for 2021 up!

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u/SoManyCrafts wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

We actually do have all of those things at Codesmith as well. There is work done on narratives, there is an entire DSA course (and daily hack hours), there’s a system design section with tons of additional and outside resources. I don’t think you could say they are entirely diffe

u/michaelnovati replied · · edited ★ FEATURED
Adding this for future reference as well to show how drastically different we are. Codesmith posted a blog announcing their CIRR results that explains the job hunt differences quite well The TLDR: this reinforces how Codesmith is a bootcamp program to teach people using structured lectures and curriculum and Formation is a program to give you unique "personal trainer"-like development and mentoring. THIS IS AN ENTIRE QUOTE FROM SOURCE BELOW WITH INLINE COMMENTS IN BOLD MARKED "FORMATION" TO HIGHLIGHT DIFFERENCES During Codesmith’s **Hiring Program**, you can expect: * Tailored Resume Guidance and Feedback * Residents attend lectures covering resume best practices and are pushed to craft their experiences in a way that is both technically sound and authentic to them. Residents receive three revisions with specific feedback from an engineering fellow to ensure the content and quality of their resume is top notch, before going to a final sign off with an engineer working in the field. After the program, graduates are able to continually book one on one support sessions with a Career Support Engineer to make adjustments to their resume as needed. * **FORMATION: We have no lectures covering these topics. You work though various components of your narrative and resume in 1-1 and 3-5 person interactive sessions that are adapted to your needs and continue until your resume is working. People who have great resumes will almost skip the process and not waste time, and people with less experience might go through numerous sessions, coaching and practice to get to the bar. These continue in the job hunt if your resume is having trouble getting traction even after sign off.** * Building a High Quality Online Presence * The Codesmith Career Support Team walks residents through best practices for online job platforms like LinkedIn, AngelList, Hired, Triplebyte, and BuiltIn. Career Support Specialists review each resident’s LinkedIn profile to ensure residents are representing themselves and their experiences in a way that will make them stand out in the job market. Many residents receive numerous inbound leads from potential employers before even leaving the program! * **FORMATION: We currently spend almost no time other than a LinkedIn review because people tend to have a lot of experience and have inbound leads BEFORE starting Formation. Again, reinforcing the difference in audience.** * Interviewing Skills and Resources * Residents attend multiple lectures to review interviewing best practices and to instill a growth mindset around self-improvement in the job search. Each resident is also paired with an alumni working in the field for a mock interview to prepare for the job search prior to leaving the program. * **FORMATION: We have no lectures on these topics. Fellows will do unlimited real mock interviews of a few dozen types with senior engineers who have done hundreds of interviews, hiring managers, and recruiters, until the person is performing at their target level. They will also do a few dozen peer mock interviews with other Fellows, and since most people have experience, a "peer" might be a senior engineer at Microsoft already.** * Networking Events * Residents attend “Networking Days” - where they are given the opportunity to interview with multiple alumni who are working for companies that are actively hiring. Residents also attend Alumni Panels to learn more about the experiences of multiple different alumni as they navigated the job search after finishing Codesmith. * **FORMATION: see previous about mock interviews. We have a lot of Codesmith alumni at Formation, so our PEER mock interviews are similar quality to the "industry mock interviews" at Codesmith (this is consistent with feedback from these alumni as well). Our real mock interviews are like several notches more nuanced and advanced. Again showing the big differences in the program goals and types of people each work with.** **Upon graduation**, the Career Support services you can expect: * Community, Alumni, Building Connections * Codesmith is proud to foster a supportive and active community both during and after the program. Alumni actively support one another through mock interviews, referrals, and support groups. Many alumni obtain their roles through networking with other graduates. * **FORMATION: alumni are welcome to participate in chat, and public events. If alumni return to Formation for training, they have to start over again as they have new goals and a new starting point, and will have a completely different experience. Several people have returned to Formation actually down the road for their next job transition.** * Continual Career Support * After the program ends, residents have the incredibly valuable opportunity to schedule one-on-one support sessions with our Career Support Engineers (Codesmith grads who are now working as engineers and involved in hiring at their companies). Grads can schedule sessions to go over resumes, applications, narrative practice, mock technical interviews, etc. Apart from one-on-one support, all grads are able to join Codesmith’s Career Support Workshop series, which includes topics like “how to submit a successful application” and “Job Search Office Hours”. * **FORMATION: our support doesn't start on end "when the program ends", there is only one phase at Formation: start until the first day of your new job. And you get all of our support described above during that time.** * Constant Communication * The Career Support team holds regular check-ins with graduates to stay up to date on their progress. Each graduate has a dedicated Slack channel with their Career Support Team where they can ask questions and get quick responses about any aspect of their job search. Career Support team members check in with grads on a regular basis to encourage accountability and self-reflection. * **FORMATION: similar to previous answer, from day one Fellows have a private chat channel with career support, negotiation, engineers, and whoever you need is brought in. So the main difference is that this support is starting from day 1 at Formation and not when you end the program since there is no program end date. Again, Formation kind of picks up where Codesmith leaves off.** * Salary Negotiation Training * Codesmith holds weekly workshops to support grads who are preparing to negotiate their salaries. The workshops - led by an expert in the field - cover topics such as how to approach conversations around negotiations, and understanding all aspects of engineering compensation, such as stock options and sign-on bonuses. * **FORMATION**: **we don't have workshops or lectures on negotiation, instead we have an army of people working with a Fellow in their job hunt to come up with a unique strategy for them. You have a dedicated negotiation mentor in your channel who responds in real time to all your offers and gives you personal advice for what you need, how to respond, etc...** Source: [https://www.codesmith.io/blog/codesmith-immersive-outcomes-2021](https://www.codesmith.io/blog/codesmith-immersive-outcomes-2021)