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Opinions on Formation Fellowship (bootcamp-like program)

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u/AHighFifth wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

I don't care personally too much about how the total comp breaks down (I know others might though). Things I would be interested in seeing are stats on: * time from "completion" to landing a job [maybe shown as % of fellows who find a job within X months (3,6,9,etc.) after compl

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Awesome, thanks so much for this write up! I can give quick open answers to these: ​ >time from "completion" to landing a job \[maybe shown as % of fellows who find a job within X months (3,6,9,etc.) after completing the work, for example\] I forgot to mention another thing, which is that the amount of training you get changes week to week depending on your availability for the next week. So we bucket people in to "full time" and "part time" but that quickly gets more granular down to the number of hours and can change week to week depending on your schedule (you can also pause for vacations, etc...). I do think with all of these caveats though we could give some numbers based on different average commitment levels. ​ >% of job applications/interviews/etc. performed before landing a job I think this one we could do. So you can apply for jobs whenever you want and we support you, but we do have a phase where we kind of sign off that you are jobhunt-ready and we could measure how many interviews people do in that time. ​ >amount of time fellow remained in first job after "graduation" before leaving Funny enough we have had a handful of people come BACK TO FORMATION after a year on their jobs. For all of them their goals changed. Maybe it was compensation before, and now it's company fit. Maybe it was getting a foot in the door, and now it's FAANG, etc... But yeah we are bit too new to have longer term numbers here. ​ >% of formation.dev applicants accepted to fellowship (i.e. program acceptance numbers; lower % acceptance could drive/explain higher success numbers) This one is a tough one, because we are focused and take a fairly narrow range of person coming in. So we have a lot of applications that might not be a good fit, which doesn't mean the people themselves are not at the skill bar (in some cases it does though). But this might be a bit misleading. The skill bar is relatively high, like it's not a program for people that have no prior training - in the future it might be. ​ >% of formation.dev fellows that drop out Yeah this could be interesting. We have a very small number of people leave early (you can leave the first week without paying anything, and then after that there is some fee accumulating every week you do training). So not really statistical, but in the past year or so, the reasons why are: changing life circumstances and cannot commit the time, getting a less-good job last minute before/immediately after starting Formation (these people have tended to come back in the future), changing goals - no longer wanting to go a top tier company/getting a job, in the past two (I think) people left because the program was more intense than expected and we improved expectations and ramp up to help with this. ​ >total number of fellowship graduates per year / active at any given time (I'm assuming you guys accept applications on a more rolling basis since the program is more tailored than a traditional bootcamp, lmk if that's not correct) Correct, we have people starting every Monday and people might leave any time when they start their new job. We do pace people starting only at a pace we can guarantee the same quality bar and outcomes. The current numbers (unofficial) of Fellows is a low three digit number (I don't want to give the exact number right now for competitive reasons and it also changes week to week) and we have \~25 full time staff, and 50 to 150 industry mentors (also a range for competitive reasons, and it also changes as people's availability changes) ​ >satisfaction like you stated, even just on a purely subjective 1 to 5 stars basis, would be interesting, but more so as a distribution, rather than just an average We track a lot of satisfaction measurements week to week for support, quality of content, alignment to goals, and we track people's overall "would you recommend to a friend" when they leave. I think that last one is relevant, and it's very high (which I don't want to quote for competitive reasons as well). It's extremely important everyone is happy with their experience and in the 3 people (a tiny percentage) I can remember that said they wouldn't recommend to a friend. One of those people has recommended us to many friends (who joined) despite the rating. One received an extremely high comp FAANG (much higher than typical) offer out of school but felt like they didn't need the frontend portion of the training they did at Formation to get the job. And the last one had a good outcome, but didn't know about all the wide range of things we offer in job hunt support and didn't utilize them, but would come back to Formation in the future.