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What happened to 42 Silicon Valley School?

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u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I've worked with several 42 alumni, and their former operations manager worked at Formation after leaving 42. The long story short is having a free school with free housing doesn't really work here and people take advantage of it for all kinds of reasons, from homeless people, to non-work authorized people, etc... At the same time, they were extremely low-staffed in person, as their platform was all online, even though the physical campus and dorms were in-person. So people would show up and sit at the computer doing online work all day, where they didn't really need to be there. So you have these really hard operation challenges of running an in person school with in person dorms, with extremely low staff, and add the fact that it's free and people from all over are trying to exploit that.... makes it really hard to maintain. It think all the people I worked with at Formation (and previously at Buildschool) who came from 42 are in great jobs now at a plethora of top companies.

u/FocusedOnSomething wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Do you know if there is something similar to 42 in USA?

u/michaelnovati replied ·
Not right now no. ADA Developers is free and I would look into it. But nothing in life is free, someone is paying something somewhere because not enough people will donate their time to create content and to teach that would be needed to have this kind of thing at scale.

u/redrooster738 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Can you share your experience working with the alumni? Did you think they had a great skillset to start working? I just signed up for the Piscine. There are many schools now from what I can see. Never heard anyone offering accommodation. At least not jn Germany.

u/michaelnovati replied ·
In the USA, I would say that all the people worked hard and had a lot of hustle but only a handful for top tier excellent jobs right away. Most of those people are doing great nowadays like 7 years later because they kept going and levelling up. My advice on this market is to similarly expect it to take many many years to catch up to others, but that's ok. Your first few jobs will be very hard to find and might not be the best tech jobs. If you are in Germany maybe there are better apprenticeships, because I think is the best option for bootcamp grads and it can smooth out the first few jobs into just 1 apprenticeship that ramps you up more consistently.

u/redrooster738 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

I wouldn't really call it a bootcamp if it takes 12-18 months training + 6 months of internships. Was it shorter in the US? Here, the school is sponsored by big companies. Not exciting ones, but big. So the hope is to get started there somewhere. Not sure this is the right path f

u/michaelnovati replied ·
yeah you're right. I shouldn't really call it a bootcamp because it is longer and you leave with a little bit more solid absorbed materials and in boot camps you normally just flail for 12 weeks and don't really remember much. if the company is sponsoring it actually hire you either as an engineer or an apprentice, then that's like a great reason to join. at the end of the day you're looking for something that will help you get a first baby step job and if their partners will do that then I would highly recommend. the major problem with bootcamps in the United States and why the tone is so negative there on the subreddit is because the best ones promise the world to people and promised mid-level jobs and things like but the boot camps actually weren't really doing much and there was a big disconnect between the marketing that the bootcamps were responsible for everything and the reality.