Outcomes after completing Codesmith

I think the OP is referring to the fact that if you lookup students by those projects to "find them on LinkedIn" (because otherwise it would be hard to find them) that a significant amount of people have no new job after the open source projects. I've also found this the time a few months ago when I audited 200 graduates and the percentage with jobs was low (it's REALLY hard to get start dates for people because people tend to ambiguously list the start as "2021" or "2022" rather than the exact months so I assume most of the people I looked at that appeared to have 6+ months of experience were current students). I've also seen some people entirely scrub their LinkedIn after getting a job and removing all those projects so that makes it further harder. I think the answer to this is to look at CIRR and trust the graduations rates and placement rates! Look carefully at what the numbers mean, i.e. 90% graduating on time + 80% placed in 6 months = 72% of people who started getting placed in 6 months. And being a "fellow" delays the clock by 3 months as well. But I would go with the CIRR numbers because trying to find stuff on LinkedIn will give you an incorrect interpretation for Codesmith.

Yeah CIRR does two things: 1. Sets a standard and set of rules and definitions everyone agrees to follow 2. Requires reports to get audited CIRR is a business league, founded by SkillsFund (now Ascend) and supported by a Course Report. The results themselves are meant to have high integrity and I trust the numbers. BUT it doesn't mean the whole process and the rules don't have biases in them. CIRR represents the bootcamp industry, it's a business league with the charter of supporting the industry the members are in. So it's in CIRR's interest for bootcamps to succeed, it's in Ascend's interest for bootcamps to succeed and for students to get loans from them. It's in Course Reports interest for bootcamps to succeed and get page views on their review website and higher valued sponsorships, it's bootcamps interest because more enrollments = more business. People reading my comments: CIRR is not a scam, it can be trusted, it just means the RULES THEMSELVES are set to try to help the member companies. For example 1. Why is 90 days and 180 days magical milestones for getting a job? You go to a bootcamp for like 12 weeks after waiting 3 months, to start. In the entire 180 days after the bootcamp, someone can come to Formation and get a job and it would count in this stat for the bootcamp's success. Why not add 0 days, 90 days, 180 days, or 30 days, why not 365 days. I totally get you have to choose something but these two numbers: 90 / 180 aren't some magical numbers. 2. Graduation rates + placement rates hide the real completion rate. So placement rates are the percentage of people who graduated who get jobs. The salaries are of people who graduated, got a job, and who reported their salaries. So 90% graduation rate means that 10% of people didn't get jobs for sure to start with. Then there are people who might have ghosted and gotten a job according to LinkedIn (which counts as a % placed) but not have a salary reported so the salaries will exclude them. So it's A FALSE STATEMENT that the median Codesmith student makes $125K base. It's a TRUE statement that the median Codesmith graduate who is placed and reported their income makes $125K base. For Codesmith's H1 2021 LA, about 80% of people got who started got jobs in 6 months so the median of THOSE people is $125K base, not the median of all students who START. Part of this is because CIRR starts with absolute numbers and then switches to percentages... so you have to do the math yourself. Sorry, I timebox my answers because I'm busy and ran out of time, have a lot more to say lol.

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