So the 90% placement rate is of people who graduate, but about 95% of people graduate as well, so the actual placement is a little lower.... this is one of the downsides of CIRR, that it breaks apart the two, but nonetheless, Codesmith's results are strong.
So there was a Course Report talk a few years ago where an exec, Philip Troutman, said 'a third of people have a degree or relevant experience' but I also would love to hear concrete numbers. Codesmith pointed this out recently as well, but showing results by background is really important missing information.
If you look at CIRR, 20% of people make under $110K and 20% over $140K. So I would suspect the people making over $140K have relevant experience and under $110K don't.
u/smells_serious wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I'm a Codesmith graduate that is still looking for my first swe job about 2mos after graduating. Not having a degree is definitely harder for me. People tell me that "it's possible" and to "trust the process" but all those people have degrees lol.
I am currently applying to coll
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Thanks for sharing, that's definitely interesting. And cool that you were a chef!
We have history, you don't like me, but nonetheless, I have some advice given that! I don't think you need a degree to get a job and if you have a strong history in the fine dining industry it would be cool to leverage that to get a job.
I know Toast is hiring a lot of people, generally senior, but like need to hire dozens of people and there could be a path there. Doordash is also hiring a ton of engineers, but they do have a fairly high bar leaning senior. OpenTable is also hiring a ton of people and is also super relevant for how a dining room is run.
Anyways I would double down on that experience. You might have insights into food-adjacent tech companies that can help land that role. I would make a resume that highlights this experience and have a good mini cover letter ready and send it to some recruiters at these companies.
u/Thinkinaboutu wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Personally I would be pretty hesitant to start taking college classes right now. The last thing you need is more expenses and more of a time sink. If you need to work a job to pay the bills, then that is what it is, but IMO that means you need to be working that job, on top of yo
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Yeah alumni do spend a lot of time cranking Leetcode, and giving back to Codesmith, by teaching and doing random things to boost experience, and if it takes 3 MORE months to get a job I think that time can be spent more efficiently. Which I need to disclose my extreme bias here, because Formation (disclosure, co-founder) works with numerous Codesmith alumni to more efficiently and effectively prepare for top tier interviews after Codesmith and then refer them and help them find pathways to solid matching companies. It's really a win-win-win IMO (despite two leaders at Codesmith badmouthing me, and being accused of stealing students). Also note, we are backlogged right now for people with zero work experience so if you are reading this, you likely have to wait a bit to start.
u/michaelnovati wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
So the 90% placement rate is of people who graduate, but about 95% of people graduate as well, so the actual placement is a little lower.... this is one of the downsides of CIRR, that it breaks apart the two, but nonetheless, Codesmith's results are strong.
So there was a Cours
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u/ephane I can't comment on \_\_mototype\_\_ they blocked me on Reddit, but did you hear anything back?