So I think this is a bit unfair and please don't post everything about individual people. Sure LinkedIn is public, but the students themselves are following guidance and shouldn't be called out in my opinion and nothing good will come of that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm particularly upset that a leader told Codesmith alumni that Formation is a scam 1-1 and that people claiming an affiliation with Codesmith have personally insulted me and Formation on Reddit repeatedly claiming that I'm conspiring to steal Codesmith students. I hope these people aren't actually affiliated with Codesmith and are just trolls (you never know on Reddit) because that kind of behavior isn't the amazing community Codesmith, and all of the hard working students and employees, stand for from what I've seen.
Why I think you are being unfair:
1. All of the alumni I have worked with are very hard working, pleasant, professional, ambitious people. Whether they have a job or not, they will be very successful engineers. Give them a chance. Sure some of that is selection bias from their high bar of entry, but the individual people shouldn't be a part of your grievances.
2. The first month or two post Codesmith isn't a fair benchmark. People just spent 3 months living and breathing the Codesmith way 60 hours a week, give them some breathing room to find a job.
3. Codesmith published a bunch of details yesterday about how CIRR works in an official blogpost that was clear and direct, and you should look at and trust CIRR results are real.
u/International-Bed413 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
This is nothing about individuals, I just want to track the data for myself. Fun note, only 2 students put codesmith in their bios, but all have software engineer as their LinkedIn title, listing an open source as work experience. I’m just curious if this is really a winning stra
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I mean I spent two hours a few months ago making a spreadsheet of 200 alumni after a bunch of people applied to Formation with the same resumes and the fake work experience. I didn't realize it wasnt work experience until talking to people and asking questions with weird answers, e.g. what were your goals, how were your hired, what non engineers did you work with, who set the team direction, how do you make money, etc... Then I learned about OSLabs, discovered it wasn't even a real organization, and did the deep dive above. I captured the work experience from LinkedIn profiles and the GitHub commit history of the people and discovered the average person claimed 12 months of work experience and had 3 weeks of commits on the corresponding proejct.
Since then have been keeping my ears open, watched a bunch of YouTube videos and tech talks for now, want to know this all works but try to remain open minded and stay middle of the road.
I'm extremely busy and this isn't related to my work but if you want to do some real research the above is very simple. Grab LinkedIns and Githubs from the open source project websites and then open them and record the work experience if any and the number of commits and number of weeks over which the commits were done.
Visually, this is demonstration of the commits and many of those little spikes is listed as months for work experience https://github.com/open-source-labs/Swell/graphs/contributors (open on desktop only to see)