ISA’s and a lot of bootcamps are usually a scam.

In my opinion, the problem with ISAs and coding bootcamps is that an ISA only works if you are actually guaranteed to get a job at the end, then it's a win-win. Unfortunately, like you pointed out, so many people don't get jobs out of bootcamps and break this model. The win-win approach of both sides giving 100% until the day you get that job has been working really well for us at [Formation.dev](https://Formation.dev), but we're not a bootcamp or eduction program so it's a little different. u/Comfortable-Cap-8507 do you think it would make a difference for you if GA was 100% training you until you got that job without stopping or do you still think you it would be a bad idea to do an ISA?

Hi, at Formation you need to have some experience right now. Most people have 1-3 years of professional experience and we focus on amplifying your strengths and filling in your unique gaps. When people are starting out, you tend to need a little more experience to start figuring out those strengths. Experience can come in the form a real job, but could also be a related job, internships, previous bootcamps, freelance work, or \~2+ years of self study with projects. We don't overpromise anyone anything, so that's why we focus on what we can deliver on and we haven't invested yet into developing the materials and support for helping people a little earlier on in their journey. Ok long paragraph haha, but the second thing you said is very important to look at. Don't trust any "job guarantee" for any bootcamp, period. That's not to say they are a scam, or they are all misleading, but something else completely. If you spend time learning and developing skills, you should have to pay the program something fair. Like if they do a terrible job and you don't learn much and leave, hopefully it's a very small amount, but like if they are putting in good faith effort to teach you things, you should pay them something. And if they do their part and you do get a job at the end, I love that you can defer that payment until you have the cash in the bank to pay. Finally, there's a difference between any job, and a good job. At Formation we don't have a "job guarantee", we just keep training you indefinitely until you get a good job. A "job guarantee" shouldn't be a part of a program, either the program should just be entirely built around getting a job, like Formation, or you don't offer one at all and brand yourself as an educational program, which is what I wish bootcamps did. My advice is to find people with similar backgrounds who went to a program and talk to them about their experience and their outcome.