u/crispyfunky wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I went to two of the schools he listed. This guy is full of shit. Ignore.
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Did you do internships?
Thoughts? Meta principal on junior hiring
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u/coldfire_plz wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Aren’t internships also frozen now? Besides, even if this worked, meta’s intern to new grad conversion rate is probably not high enough to sustain this. Even if the RO rate is 80%+, there’s other companies that meta interns can and possibly will accept. Not to mention, the churn
u/michaelnovati replied ·
This is definitely true, intern hiring is tight - but it's there - and conversions are not as easy as they used to be - but they happen.
u/michaelnovati replied ·
This is my post and feel free to grill me, I'm more than happy to elaborate my opinions - it's a complicated topic and I'm open to all sides.
u/Condomphobic wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
We are genuinely cooked if we aren’t in top 20 😭😭
u/michaelnovati replied ·
You can get jobs not in the top 20 CS schools, but you have to forge your own path and no one will tell you what that is. That's how I got my first job at Facebook...
u/YakFull8300 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Is Brown actually that good for CS? Thought applied math was more their thing.
u/michaelnovati replied ·
I don't think it's as good as it gets credit for, BUT there are a number of very successful people who went there (e.g. Figma founders) and people who go there are very smart in general, so it gets targeted more than it probably should if you looked at it's CS on paper.
u/Smart_Tell_5320 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
.... Implies other top unis he might have forgot to mention
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Correct
u/TaXxER wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Minor remark: he isn’t actually a principal engineer. That seems like him misrepresenting himself on LinkedIn. He is an E7, which is typically called Senior Staff Engineer. That is still a very senior level, but not as high as principal engineer, which is E8.
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Meta doesn't have job titles and at E7+ the titles vary from Senior Staff to Principal to Fellow to Architect, etc... E7 was my level, only 1.5% were at that level or higher, call it what you want and I'm ok with that :D.
u/BeautyInUgly wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I deleted cuz realized it doxxed you
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Oh that's totally fine :D I enjoy these discussions, but as a former moderator that dealt with so much crazy shit on here, I appreciate you being a careful Redditor.
u/thewarrior71 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Isn't your school, University of Toronto, a world top 20 CS school, according to QS rankings? [https://www.topuniversities.com/university-subject-rankings/computer-science-information-systems](https://www.topuniversities.com/university-subject-rankings/computer-science-informati
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Yes, that's correct, and I did have access to some top companies like Microsoft and Bloomberg but I got my job at Facebook which didn't recruit there at the time and I had to get there attention through other means.
I used their brand new API in my startup that I had and sent it to a recruiter and it moved me to the top of the stack for interviews.
u/Grouchy-Pea-8745 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
The idea of intern pipelines dominating junior hiring makes sense, but I don't get why specifying top schools makes sense in this post. You also suggested that top companies don't post internship positions or post them but don't hire from them, but that's just flat out not true.
u/michaelnovati replied ·
It's the only clear path but it's not the only way.
These schools have dedicated recruiters from the top company and some have quotas/targets for each school, so you have a huge leg up to getting your foot in the door.
They choose these schools simply based on the past hiring rates and they drop schools (even top 20 schools) that have low hiring rates.
u/Grouchy-Pea-8745 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Is your assertion that since a larger share of the junior class will come directly from the intern class, that they will become more careful and selective when picking interns, thus giving a even bigger advantage than before to students at top schools? Also this trend I assum
u/michaelnovati replied ·
\- big tech and FAANG = yes
\- the advantage via example: let's say you are at Princeton and there are 200 CS students in your class, the Google Princeton recruiter will probably look at all the resumes and if you can get some face time with them so they remember you = easier to get a chance to interview!
\- I don't have any insight into the impact of LLMs on the quality of current students :( I have random ideas but no evidence or unique insight so I'm not going to guess haha. But LLMs in general are impacting what it means to be an engineer for sure.
u/Square_Alps1349 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Wow you’re on Reddit too? I’m ngl everything you’re saying is true BUT you have to realize there are certain uncomfortable truths that will leave a lot of people upset
u/michaelnovati replied ·
I've always tried to 1. be very responsive. and 2. tell it how it is.
And I've made many enemies along the way but I stand by my values.