I have a bunch of questions but congrats on getting the job!
1. How long after graduating did you get the job?
2. When was it (like 2023, 2024, 2025?)?
3. How many you started with made it to the end?
4. And how many got jobs?
5. How much do you attribute to the bootcamp vs all of the traits and characteristics you mentioned that are more you than the bootcamp?
u/codepapi wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I did my bootcamp back 2018. Being brutally honest. Back then it took a year for everyone in my cohort to find a job.
A couple gave up and went another direction or adjacent role like support or sales.
If you’re trying to do it now unless you’re grinding 24/7 for the one shot
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Yeah this all sounds reasonable. TripleTen was Practicuum back then and had very very few people so it's entirely a different program now so it's good to know the timing.... whatever your experience was good or bad it's largely irrelevant now for anyone looking at TripleTen.
u/Ok_Shallot3119 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
If we are being fair, determination is very important. As is some luck, but fortune favors the bold. The man who tried 10,000 times and succeeded once is not lucky. Persistence always beats resistance.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Make sure to keep the job before boasting :D. The market is brutal and you won't be this loud if you get laid off.
You don't seem like the type of person who will be laid off because of your hustle... but bootcamp grads are often the top of the list for layoffs because they are often behind co-workers.
Keep the same intensity on the job so you make it a year!
u/Ok_Shallot3119 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I am not trying to be insensitive to those who are struggling to find a job. Can we at least agree being persistent, having a good body of work, being creative, and having determination are important factors in today’s job market? I feel like this shouldn’t be controversial. I am
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
50% of Codesmith and Launch School grads get jobs within 6 months to 1 year old graduation so people get jobs.
I think the more unique thing about you Is that you were a truck driver and didn't have professional desk job experience before.
I would guess that the percentage of truck drivers that go to bootcamps that then get a job after within 6 months is probably quite low. but I do think that if they have the same persistence you have, they probably would get a job and the percentage of anyone who has that persistence is also quite low.
u/Ok_Shallot3119 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I’m just trying my best to spread some hope. Is this not a good place to do that?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
No problem offering hope, hope is important.
People should see both sides.
People who have blind hope because of one case and then drop $20K on a program because they promise to work as hard as you did, is bad.
That's why so many people get caught up with MLM schemes, end up spending more money than they make, and quietly disappear into the ether.
It's cool to talk about your experience. Your goals seems to be to motivate others and that's where I think it's fine but I think others should balance it.
Both sides can be true.
u/Ok_Shallot3119 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
So why did you tell me I wouldn’t be so loud if I got laid off, right after I said determination is very important. Fortune favors the bold ect? That seemed like a weird personal attack after I was just trying to be positive? I wasn’t even talking specifically about my self I was
u/michaelnovatireplied·· edited
I think it's fair to push back on that because I have no evidence that you wouldn't be responding to dozens of comments within minutes, and it's very much possible that you would, so I shouldn't assume that.
It's not a personal attack, but it is a counter argument because what I meant was that there are people, especially in late 2023, who got jobs and posted here a week after getting the job. So how excited they were, and some of those people have the job, and some of them do not, and they're really struggling.
One of my consistent and core commentaries on bootcamp is that the bootcamp celebrates your victory at the end date because for them it's the end, but for you it's the beginning. The bootcamp was step-1, and you're now at step 0 starting your career.
and I think it's very important that bootcamp grads who get jobs realize that it's at the beginning and not the end and they should celebrate the victory but show up ready to work the next day because they're going to have far happier moments and far left. happy moment in the future and you have to be ready for it all in this industry.
and circling back, it's often that when the people hit those lows, they don't come to Reddit to talk a lot about it and that voice is not heard.
and finally it's just about seeing both sides. this doesn't negate its side. it's just a counter argument on the other side.
u/Robert_Sprinkles wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I'm so done with reddit , this sh\*thole will suck the soul even of the most positive person in the planet. just stick to X from now on
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Why do you need to see false positives to feel better?
If you build it they won't come... no self fulfilling prophecy... bootcamps are melting down... it's like watching "Nailed It" and commenting on how amazing and world class the cupcakes are. Occasionally people make good stuff on the show but the premise is that the typical person on that show sucks.