u/HelpfulStrawberry908 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I finished a full stack bootcamp this year from a pretty reputable provider, name starting with letter G, and I am now working as a software engineer. I was still early on in my engineering career when i made the switch. Worked for about 2 years + only. I got 2 job offers within
u/michaelnovatireplied·
One of the challenges with bootcamp grads is keeping the job. It's a challenge with any entry level engineer, not just bootcamp grads. But bootcamp grads tend to rely more on luck and one offs and really struggle with layoffs because they have to get lucky twice.
I would recommend trying really hard to stay at the job for 2 years and get promoted once, then you'll be in excellent shape.
u/HelpfulStrawberry908 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
But dont you think that with the right mentor, guidance and mindset, a bootcamp grad can do just as well as a CS grad? And all these comes down to just abit of luck, and someone giving you a chance to prove yourself. For me im definitely very thankful for this opportunity, i will
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Sometimes yeah! It varies by all kinds of factors and I'm speaking to averages. Averages might show trends but very few people are actually average haha.
u/LaOnionLaUnion wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Maybe? Every bootcamp grad I graduated with who landed a job kept it. We’re 8 years in now. Some of us are seniors or managers now
u/michaelnovatireplied·
For SWE? Which bootcamp?
u/LaOnionLaUnion wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
SWE. Mind you we had a few people who don’t get SWE jobs. In each case I’d argue they were the problem but they might not see it that way.
Launchcode
u/michaelnovatireplied·
It looks like you have corporate partnerships that you place people with, right? That's the IDEAL to me, because the companies know what they are getting and ramp people up with appropriate support and have committed to hiring the people and nurturing them.
Whether 100% of people keep their jobs or not, this is still the ideal to me and I wish everyone could do this.
The problems I'm talking about are when bootcamp grads are competing directly for general entry level jobs.
u/SpellGlittering1901 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Tbh if it's a junior position, a bootcamp grad and a CS grad will perfom the same, because either way they'll see that you know absolutely nothing before getting your first proper profesionnal experience.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
At top tier tech this is incorrect. Bootcamp grads typically go through apprenticeships to ramp up into the job - which is a good thing. But they are very far behind because the CS grads in top tech have numerous internships and tend to have intense CS degrees with like dozens of courses under their belt.