u/Super_Skill_2153 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
If you are suggesting that this thread is anything other than completely disgruntled coding bootcampers who have had bad experience than you live in another reality. This thread is dedicated to those who have failed at securing a job in tech and talk about how bad everything is.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
You should see the stuff that gets moderated out.
Placement data clearly shows tanking outcomes and many bootcamps have cutback or shutdown, and if you want to ignore that then go ahead, bootcamps are happy to take your money.
No one is going to stop you from giving $22K to a bootcamp that lost 90% of its staff and is barely operational, they are just going to warn you.
u/Super_Skill_2153 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I am not ignoring anything. Do you believe this channel is non-biased?
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Everyone has bias but I don't think the channel is biased against bootcamps.
During the boot camp boom every other post was someone with a $100K job telling everyone who would listen to go to a bootcamp.
Now it's the same people telling everyone to not go to a bootcamp.
I personally told tons of people to go to Rithm, Codesmith and Launch School during the peak because the market was open to giving bootcamp grads a job.
I'm bias but I'm just following the data and facts and trying to advise accordingly.
u/Super_Skill_2153 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
"Everyone has bias but I don't think the channel is biased against bootcamps."
So you are suggesting this channel isn't filled with 99% negativity on bootcamps?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I mean my goal as a moderator is to reflect the voices of the people who are members and prevent spam and fake accounts and promotional things from influencing it either way. a lot of the stuff I'm talking about that gets blocked is both blatant boot camp advertising and also alternatives and like online coding platforms that bad mouth boot camps and tell you to use coding platform or join their YouTube channel instead.
There is probably a 90% drop in signups to boot camps in the past 1 and 1/2 years or so, if I estimate based on the enrollment drops that I've seen at specific programs, then I think the sentiment is accurate.
I'm not really sure what data would make you feel otherwise.
like someone pointed out camps can work, but the majority of people posting here are doing any research yet at all. just trying to explore new career jobs because they don't like their career and if someone is looking at nursing versus software engineering then they have very little chances of succeeding. The people who are succeeding right now are people who were in this sub 2 years ago and programming for that long and then did a bootcamp. Then they message me telling me how they would not recommend people go anymore for a variety of reasons.
I've spoken to like three reporters in the recent past for all starting to circle on the trend of bootcamps dying and I think we're going to start hearing beyond this subreddit pretty soon about that happening.
Like this https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/bootcamp-bust-how-ai-is-upending-software-development-industry-2025-08-09/
u/TaintedBlue87 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
It would be nice to hear more success stories. If only they were more common.....
u/michaelnovatireplied·
And hearing stories that are not planted, former employees/graduates, current employees/graduates, etc...
There was a period where a bunch of people were posting in this environment. Some were saying 'you could be next' vibe or flat out lied about their background (I got my first job! - LinkedIn listed 10 years of experience as a 'web developer').
Then there was a period where people were like 'I got a job, but you shouldn't do a bootcamp'.
Then those people just don't bother because they feel like it's a waste of time.
This is me summarizing my opinions from talking to people and being here.
u/Potatoupe wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
This sub was the first time I saw the boom and slow death of a sub. I was lucky to catch the end of the boom before the layoffs started.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
The scary thing is that this sub's membership has like 5X'd in the past two years so I think it's important that the discussions keep happening even if they are negative now.
u/shadetreestereo wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I am a software engineer. Have been for many years, have worked with around 11 different bootcamps. You are an idiot and have absolutely no idea what you are saying. I guarantee you are affiliated with a bootcamp.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I get a lot of shit for my opinions but I'm transparent about who I am. The stuff that I have uncovered over the years of people manipulating this sub first made me angry, but then after deeper research I found out it's a Reddit wide problem.
I know Reddit is an anonymous place, but it's critical to understand who you are taking advice from. Take people's opinions with a grain of salt unless you can evaluate where it's coming from.