u/sheriffderek wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I think the key is to (just like programming) - clearly understand the situation, goal, and somehow learn enough about the tools to be able to use them - and do the work to get there.
The problem is that most people aren’t doing any of those things: so, they choose to agree with
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I heard there will be an increase in need for Dentists in the next few years - AI resistant job.
I'm an engineer but I want to become a dentist - can you give me a 12 week course so I can become a dentist.
HECK NO!
So why do people think they can become an engineer - a PROFESSIONAL JOB requiring a lot of training - in 12 weeks.
It's not possible and all of the 'success cases' have caveats and nuances and edge cases and lying on your resume.
There a lot of tech jobs you CAN do in 13 weeks, just like maybe you can be a Dental Assistant who takes moulds of people's mouths in 13 weeks, but you can't become a "Dentist".
u/peppiminti wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
This is a terrible take Michael and you know it lol. Someone can definitely ramp up to become an SWE way faster than a Dentist. 12 weeks is obviously too short, but 2-3 years is definitely possible. People in my bootcamp all coded \~1 - 1.5yrs before bootcamp, \~3 months during
u/michaelnovatireplied·
My commentary is generally at the macro level and on an individual basis there are exceptions. For the 100K plus people who have done SWE bootcamps over 10 years I would guess than a quarter are still SWEs to this day. Half of them probably never got a SWE job to begin with and then many people pivoted out to like TPM or data engineer etc...
If you spray a hose at a hole in the wall, some water gets through but most doesn't.
This is like spraying a hose at a hole then for water getting through travelling another foot and getting through a slightly larger hole.
Someone watching this zoomed out would see someone spraying a wall and the water bouncing off.
In all fairness people getting any job in tech might be a step up form the previous job but it's like a Dentist bootcamp where many people get jobs in the dental field but they paid $22.5K to become a Dentist.
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How many people in your cohort got jobs and in what timeframe? Second, does your resume and LinkedIn reflect that you have no experience? Third, it's important to hear from you in 1-2 years because a lot of bootcamp grads are having a hard time keeping jobs right now.
It's great you got a job but you are making it sound like everyone gets jobs and the entire data backed argument right now is that like half as many people are getting jobs as in the past and it's taking like twice as long to get to the same placement rate.
You would be an idiot not to question going to a bootcamp right now with data like that.
And this is data from Codesmith, one of the top bootcamps.
Staff members have been abandoning ship for 2 years now and almost no one is left. As of last week almost the whole full time company has turned over in the past year so any experience prior to that would be completely different.
I also have a personal beef, but I have high integrity and am looking at this rationally.
If you can't look at it rationally and want to choose a bootcamp based on anecdotal stories of a few people getting packed and telling you you can do it then you shouldn't be an engineer because you can't think critically and are being emotionally manipulated.