Happy to hop on a quick call to discuss. Lot of nuance here that is easily lost in text. High level thoughts:
1. It's really hard, probably impossible, for me to give you advice when I don't know your capability for and alignment with our curriculum. I need to see you do the wor
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I wish more schools gave transparent, clear responses like this.
As bootcamps are struggling right now I'm seeing so much grasping at straws that are twisting reality into marketing headlines.
Just because the person has great Frontend Masters courses or YouTube videos it's not cool for him to be missing in action in the $20K program and you are actually taught by people who with no experience who graduated a year ago.
If the founder is all over LinkedIn posting how cool they are and all the cool people they are hanging out, don't sign up.
If the founder is promising you the magic formula for success on TikTok if you DM them. Don't buy it.
The market is tough right now and you need **experienced people** who understand how it is and can help you the best they can.
Don't pay a dime for a service that can't acknowledge the reality right now because they aren't going to help you.
u/cglee wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I feel like I had this same approach back in 2020-2022 as well, except I got dragged for the opposite reason ("lol, these guys want you to learn slowly and for years? lolz"). The pendulum, it swings a lot.
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If you are extremely hard working and want to lie on your resume to jump ahead and then company hop around for 5 years then I would not have recommended Launch School in 2020 - 2022, but I would have a 'come to reality' talk with that person now a days and only recommend a slower approach like Launch School.
u/Yourza wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
are you on the spectrum or something? we've all seen the codesmith rant, all of us, every single one of us. you post some form of the second paragraph of your comment in almost every thread. the only thing i scroll past faster on this sub is when that sheriff guy starts his own l
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Other programs are bad too but Codesmith confirmed to me that they paid some guy on Upwork. And that person coincidentally (Codesmith claims that no one currently employed there asked them to) posted garbage about me and tried to get me banned from Reddit.
I asked them to apologize and they declined so any company that behaves like this deserves to be called out in my opinion. I'm sure others do it to but I can prove this about Codesmith and I'm not going to drop it, no.
u/Yourza wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
is there a pattern in your life of limitless energy to pursue those who've slighted you? it's actually nice to gain some insight into the mind of the type of engineer with great technical skills and a completely inability to let go of feeling wronged. i've worked with a dozen of
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I'm not a Peter Thiel supporter (and not a not-supporter either, just centrist) but Gawker is no more after they slighted him.
I can't speak for others but for me it's not personal in any ways whatsoever. I could pick up the phone and have a conversation with Will Sentance anytime.
This might sound crazy grandiose but I don't need to work for the rest of my life so I do what I do out of a deep belief that humanity will better if each person is contributing (work or otherwise) to humanity doing what they are both passionate about and good at. So people doing jobs that they don't like drive me to figure out how that person can move to a place where both THEY are happier AND they are contributing more to humanity.
If you have a scam product and scam marketing that bothers me a lot less.
When you have a pretty good, mediocre product like Codesmith has that refuses to see how it can be BETTER and make HUMANITY BETTER and instead focuses on tricks, marketing, bullshit to promote what they have as 'best in the industry'.
They had something that could have 10X impact on humanity and it was having 2X and instead of trying to put egos aside and get to the 10X, they threw it in the garbage and imploded.
All the HR problems, diligence, half-asses operations issues internally they defended instead of fixing.
All of the problems with crappy projects that modern AI review thinks are garbage fake projects they did nothing about.
That is what's infuriating - that they threw away all their potential and publicly blamed ME.
If they just threw away their potential, fine, I would not be upset.
Instead, they threw it away and failed and then blamed ME - and that's where it crosses the line because this whole time, my feedback was meant to help them improve to be what they COULD be.
u/Yourza wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
again, not defending codesmith here. i wouldnt recommend any bootcamp, frankly i recommend another field entirely to anyone who isnt interested enough to self-study to the point that the content of a degree or bootcamp becomes redundant.
but that's a yes on being on the spectru
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I go with the Bill Gates answer to that - I've never been tested, don't want to be tested, and function totally fine day to day, but if I grew up today with the social challenges I had in elementary school I think there's a chance I would have been put on the spectrum.
u/BeneficialBass7700 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
someone in the latest capstone cohort got a job in less than a month after completing the program. I hear ~50% have offers in the cohort before that, and ~65% for the cohort before that. that covers just about the past 12 months. not one of them with a CS degree.
I agree that "
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I don't say no one, but I do say that it's not systematic anymore - every placement feels like a one off case. Launch School Capstone is small enough that historically each person was a one off case and it never relied on patterns.
Larger programs had hiring partners and common places where alumni pass down back channel referrals and cover up the fact that all the people have zero experience and then help the people ramp up. For example Codesmith -> Capital One is this.... people scheming to lie on resumes and get through interviews and then help each other not get fired after starting.