I completely 100% agree with this. But unfortunately because bootcamps hyped up their outcomes so much over the years and tied their identity to their outcomes, it's a hard ask to now tell everyone "now that the market has exposed the truth that the bootcamp was all about the mentorship the whole time and not the job, scratch the past 8 years and now trust us again with this new story".
u/Ok_Ideal8217 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
What annoys me are the funders who are still falling for the inflated outcomes
u/michaelnovatireplied·
What do you mean by "funder"? Like Ascent and Meratas?
u/Ok_Ideal8217 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Philanthropy funders. Foundations
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Oh, yeah I mean at that scale the strategy is fund 20 and hope 1 works so they don't really care.
It's why not all bootcamps are equal and the motivations and intentions of the leadership is critical.
u/Cloudova wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Not every company fortunately. My org (I work at a giant company) has hired a couple bootcamp grads for junior positions in the past year. However I will say those positions each had at least 4k applications. These bootcamp grads were truly passionate and willing to put in the wo
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The b problem for many bootcamp grads is progression. They work so hard as juniors that people around them are initially impressed but for many, they are putting in 70 hour weeks and weekends to appear to be like 20% more hustle than everyone else.
Some people make it and all that hustle accelerated their career but others semi burn out or have trouble with the promotion or the promotion after.
If they join as juniors and get the support they need and the company is patient I think it can really work out well though.... a lot of big tech doesn't have that patience though.
u/Cloudova wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I’d like to say my team is pretty healthy. No one works more than normal hours here, sometimes I work 20 hours a week lol since we’re task based rather than schedule based. We also don’t work on the weekend and allow juniors to make mistakes. If something in prod breaks, no one b
u/michaelnovatireplied·
It sounds like you have a very supportive environment that acknowledged the reality of the juniorness!
The problems I see tend to be when people embellish their resumes and practice bullshitting interviews to get mid level jobs and then are treated differently and have to cover up the fact that they have no experience. I hear this from those people the most.