I might be interpreting your post wrong if it's asking about college grads who go to bootcamps after or college grads OR bootcamp grads.
The bootcamp industry fell apart and schools are closing left right and center so you want a bunch of one anecdotes for what purpose?
As a moderator I want the information in this sub to reflect reality. When it was the good times, this sub was absurdly positive. But it's not right now and it's irresponsible to try to spread positivity that doesn't acknowledge reality, so that's why the tone is so negative here unfortunately.
I always love to read and hear individual success stories on a personal level, because I love to hear about awesome people's journeys.
That is a personal thing I like.
So why do you want to hear about all these stories and if you clarify what you are looking for on the post it might help you get replies you are looking for.
u/SwanAutomatic8140 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I know you read nothing but doom and gloom. There are absolutely people getting hired. Ask yourself this though: what do you think makes a CS grad more hire-able than a self taught or boot camp grad? As a hiring manager I never cared - you get the same interview…
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u/michaelnovatireplied·
They care at FAANG at at top tier startups.
If it's not obvious that a CS grad with 3 to 6 FAANG internships and 4 years of CS courses is more qualified than a bootcamp grad with no CS courses and a 12 week bootcamp, then I'm happy to go into extensive detail why.
Passing the interview is one thing and bootcamps focus too much on that as the end game. It's just the FIRST STEP not the last, and bootcamp grads are very far behind on the job.
Ask yourself why top tier tech companies - after giving bootcamp grads a shot - prioritize recruiting from Stanford and MIT and don't recruit systematically from any bootcamps, even the best ones.
u/MoistState5233 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
People are definitely getting jobs at the moment but, as the tone of this subreddit reflects; it's probably harder now than ever. I've definitely met a handful of people that had new grad loops with Meta, Google, and Amazon. I also know of a bootcamp grad (no prior experience) th
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Not related personal question, but why did you change from Google to Meta?
u/MoistState5233 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
There's actually a lot of context missing in my original reply. I started working at a mid size company after bootcamp for a little under 2 years then moved onto google for 1 year. I actually had to move to SF from NY for the role which actually made my net income lower than it w
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Oh yeah that is a lot of steps but makes a lot of sense, so it was more just logistics haha
u/Jumpy_Discipline6056 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Yes they were excited. Not all of them, some were in various tech-adjacent fields. I also met a ton of BootCamp grads who had found recent success. SXSW is one of the largest tech events in the country with both college grads and BootCamp students. "then reality hasn’t smacked th
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Were the bootcamp grads all Gauntlet AI people who were swarming SXSW with their letterman jackets and such?
u/SwanAutomatic8140 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I agree with the over emphasis on the end game - also most companies are not top tier start ups so the skill set needed to work at a small company or a non tech org can be wildly different.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Yeah agreed on that. I put a lot of pressure on bootcamps to market to these outcomes and I'm also extremely suspicious when bootcamps market FAANG outcomes as the norm or as a something to expect/hope for.
u/Jumpy_Discipline6056 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
No lol not sure about those guys the only BootCamp I saw there interacting with people was TripleTen.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Oh wow that's super interesting. It's absurdly hard to find people who actually got jobs from Triple Ten and they seem to have like a very low completion rate.
What kinds of jobs were the people getting who went there?
Also were they giving out discount codes? This bootcamp stands out because I have not seen a single person talking about it without offering one and that is absurdly bizarre compared to every other program.
u/peppiminti wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
There are still success stories but very rare. From what I've heard, recent CodeSmith cohorts only have around 1-3 students getting jobs out of \~20 students.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I was highly recommending Codesmith back in the day, and encourage a bunch of people to go there in 2021-2022. Sadly the market is falling apart and not a single person is still on their full time instruction team since then, literally about 20 instructors left and the longest serving one joined at the very end of 2022. And a number more joined since then and left. There are only 2 lead instructors AFAIK right now. Nevermind a number of directors (4 I count) who left and haven't been replaced.
Every day I get their LinkedIn posts touting 'you could be next', 'now's the time', and all these conferences their CEO is going off to and speaking at and it's really making me sad.
Then there are all these sketchy accounts on Reddit promoting them. Like I caught this account pretending to be a student who was sharing promotional links all over Reddit for CSX with UTM tracking params to trace the click through and effectiveness. Person claims they didn't know how those got there. I did a super deep dive and their story makes no sense, evidence indicates they are a sock puppet.
I think they've toned it down a bit, but it's just the most embarrassing and sad siutation that your community has fallen apart so bad you have to repeatedly promote things on Reddit through sketchy means AND simultaneously keep telling the world how amazing Codesmith is.
I've been trying to talk to their team about it but we're really struggling to get common ground.
u/peppiminti wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
They haven't posted new job updates in the alumni slack for about a month now.
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
There have been placements, but they keep shedding staff so it could be another thing falling through the cracks.
There certainly aren't a lot of placements.
And a couple placements I've seen and really embellished and made up LinkedIns it's almost like an insult or a joke.
One started working at Codesmith as a TA prior to starting Codesmith as a resident.
One claimed their 3 weeks of commits on their OSP were 1 year 8 months of experience and got a job recently.
I flagged both of these cases to them.
Like I believe one person there is trying to fix things but it's just not really fixable.
Every day people hit me up with their personal experiences there and their engineering system seems like a giant scam now and I'm super annoyed.
Like TAs and instructors who migrated libraries from one React library to another in 20 places and then put down 1 year of SWE experience as a senior software engineer.
And Codesmith leaders knew about this according to this source. They knew that the "work" their engineering team members were doing could not pass as real engineering work according to a source, yet they hired instructors on the promise that they would be doing senior engineer level projects.
If the person was able to talk freely without destroying all of their friendships, I think Codesmith would be exposed and shut down in my opinion, these anecdotes seem absolutely absurd to me and absolutely enraging that Codesmith is scamming these alumni into teaching.
Instructors know what I'm talking about and you are not alone in those feelings.
u/EfficientOlive7013 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Not sure if it’s recent enough. I graduated from a bootcamp almost 3 years ago and I’m starting at Meta in a couple weeks.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
That's awesome! Like I love these stories and just remember it's a long journey ahead.
I'm guessing you are an E4 and my main tip at Meta: make sure to do weekly 1-1s and ask about actionable ways you can improve and follow up next week about whether you improved or not.
Second tip is as an E4, play to your strengths and do the work that's needed from you. Don't explore too much or intentionally work on things you know nothing about. Do that stuff after you a year and after a good performance review.
u/EfficientOlive7013 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Not sure if it’s recent enough. I graduated from a bootcamp almost 3 years ago and I’m starting at Meta in a couple weeks.
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
That's awesome! Like I love these stories and just remember it's a long journey ahead.
I'm guessing you are an E4 and my main tip at Meta: make sure to do weekly 1-1s and ask about actionable ways you can improve and follow up next week about whether you improved or not.
Second tip is as an E4, play to your strengths and do the work that's needed from you. Don't explore too much or intentionally work on things you know nothing about. Do that stuff after you a year and after a good performance review.