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CIRR is dead - missing audited 2022 reports were due last December and they have gone radio silence on where they are 3 months later

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u/michaelnovati posted · · edited ★ FEATURED
CIRR is dead - missing audited 2022 reports were due last December and they have gone radio silence on where they are 3 months later I've been very critical of CIRR before and the problems with it's specification with very fair critical analysis. This post is not that, this post is about me trying to stand up for people being manipulated by a shell company that appears to primarily represents one bootcamp - Codesmith - to create an illusion of validation in outcomes. **One of the misunderstood aspects of CIRR is that initial results are NOT AUDITED. The results are for 20222 were submitted in March 2024 and the official audited results were due in December 2024.** The last sign of life of CIRR I saw was in January, when a Codesmith advisor who is on CIRR's board changed the specification to make it looser on who they can exclude from statistics. Yet no audited results were posted. I have asked CIRR and not heard back for a week (with one follow up) and received no reply. With 2023 outcomes coming any day now based on previous years cadences who knows if we'll see audited 2022 outcomes. # DON'T FALL FOR CIRR - WE HAVEN'T SEEN AUDITED OUTCOMES SINCE 2021

u/jcasimir wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

The auditing of outcomes has always been kind of a weird nuance. It's expensive (like $10K-$30K, in my experience) and doesn't get anybody anything. It definitely doesn't help anyone find a job! Plus it's a niche that most accounting firms are not interested in learning about jus

u/michaelnovati replied ·
thanks for sharing the perspective

u/awp_throwaway wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

I stated it somewhat facetiously, but there is a kernel of (at least a half-)truth there, nevertheless lol

u/michaelnovati replied ·
It's exactly spot on, one school with an interest in CIRR appearing to be alive is propping it up so it appears alive on the outside but it's completely dead inside.

u/ericswc wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Waaaaaaaay back in the day my original bootcamp (The Software Guild) was a founding member. As one of the few bootcamps with legitimate, verified employment outcomes, we pushed hard for a single, independent auditor and strict reporting structure because we didn't have thousands

u/michaelnovati replied ·
No one and nothing is perfect and colleges are like $200K over four years and have lots of problems too. But CIRR is a marketing organization promoting the bootcamp industry and it's not about transparency and this kind of manipulation just really bothers me because it gives the industry a bad name and people assume the worst when they shouldn't sometimes.