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Bootcamp as an addition to Bachelor's?

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u/michaelnovati replied ·
It depends on the school you went to. Do you mind sharing?

u/NoAccess4085 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

i personally know a princeton student struggling to land any junior tech internships and another recent MIT grad settle for a government IT job. both of them are really smart guys. what a time to be alive.

u/michaelnovati replied ·
If you went to a top 20 school though I would not advise a bootcamp and have a bunch of other ideas to try

u/starraven wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

What are the other ideas? Projects/internships/apprenticeships/open source/ leetcode/networking?

u/michaelnovati replied ·
1. sign up for masters to be internship eligible post graduation, drop if convert to fill time or go if not 2. volunteer or work for a professor doing research 3. try to get alumni older than you to refer you to their recruiters that they worked with when they graduated 4. find recruiters dedicated to your school and connect with them 5. do a real startup you work on full time maybe with other grads (given raw talent pool and network you have advantage both in building something and getting people to use it)

u/Useful-Land-7848 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Hi Michael, A friend of mine with BS Petroleum Engineering (he graduated with me at a top school) out of a Hack Reactor bootcamp got multiple job interviews and a job later at Meta after he signed out with Outco: [https://www.outco.io/](https://www.outco.io/) They schedule

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Outco is a competitor to my company so I'm super biased about talking about them. Personally, I thought they were shutting down because their website is half broken and doesn't let you apply, some founders moved on to new things, and they are threatening to sue a bunch of people (search Reddit) who didn't get jobs in a year and thought they were getting their money back. I would compare Outco to Formation (my company), Interview Kickstart, and Pathrise. These are all different approaches and entirely different day to day, but all are focused on helping you get interviews and pass them. I have always had pretty fair assessments on here despite my bias, so I'll give my PERSONAL OPINIONS trying to be as fair as I can be: Formation: dynamic and adaptive mentorship, unique, unlimited mocks, small group sessions (3 to 6 people), 3 dedicated non technical support team members, only focused on generalist SWE (full stack, frontend, backend). Most technology based and focused company - most tools are built in house and optimized. Fairly expensive. Pathrise: one dedicated career coach instead of support team, focused on job hunt funnel and conversions at each step. Less SWE focused, majority of people are non technical disciplines like marketing. In house job hunt tools. ISA is very very expensive. Interview Kickstart: fixed curriculum refresher course, good mentors (similar to Formation), India based and operated so the style of lectures is geared more to that market (one big 4 hour lecture a week plus smaller tutorials and office hours), covers a wide range of disciplines like Data, ML, frontend in additional to generalist SWE. In house coding practice and session tools. Capped number of mock interviews for most programs. Similar price to Formation but a few thousand cheaper. Outco: short fixed curriculum, for generalist SWE, very few in house tools, lots of videos. They offer 12 months support but have been sueing people who thought they owed nothing under just by advising them retroactively of program violations they claim they had. You should look into those claims and assess them for yourself, but based on my assessment of them talking to a couple people, I would strongly recommend being very cautious about them. Their attitude towards those situations expressed by the people impacted that talked to me does not indicate to me that they are on your side and trying to do whatever it takes to help you in this market.