u/Real-Set-1210 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Shit I'm probably in your cohort. Graduated March. Had four interviews, never made it past the initial phone call. Most likely going back to my old career.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I mean this is why bootcamps are shutting down or pausing indefinitely left right and center.
They can control their educational quality and produce capable graduates, but they can't change the job market.
u/thievingfour wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Are there any bootcamps you would recommend by name in today's climate?
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I'm currently recommending Launch School but only for the right people and you should do their free stuff to see if they are the right school.
The other best ones I'm no longer recommending for various reasons. Codesmith I'm suggested to not go to. App Academy, Hack Reactor, I'm more neutral on. Tech Elevator was amazing when they had in person partnerships but those have been dwindling.
These are just my opinions. There isn't a correct answer for everyone though. Happy to talk through based on your own background.
u/Calen11709 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
You responded to my previous post but I’d also like to ask here. Have you seen of or heard of Carnegie Mellon University coding Bootcamp? It seems the closest to be an actual degree plan and they offer the chance for their students to visit their campus in Pittsburgh twice during
u/michaelnovatireplied·
It's run by a third party so I'm not sure yet. They seem to have CMU staff doing some classes
But keep in mind. For profit is for profit. That's fine but figure out how they make money.
In the bootcamp space you can have win wins and it all works in the end but as programs scale and build out a team people can locally optimize and lose sight of the overall impact
u/s4074433 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
What about the bootcamps that are changing business models to a part consultancy model where students work on actual client projects with the instructor acting as a project manager and technical lead? Would that change the job market gradually?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I think that model can work. The key being that these consultancies end up in a full time job. If you think you will hustle and do whatever to hold a job, prove it under this model. Just watch out for programs that take advantage of you by severely underpaying you, making you move, and not supporting you well.
u/s4074433 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Well, a long time ago when I did a stint at GA as an instructor (10-12hr days plus weekends thinking about course content and marking assignments/projects) I wondered what it would look like as a consultancy with instructors that managed students like graduates working on client
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Yeah I'm on the page that the material isn't it worth it and you aren't paying for that. So figure out what you are paying for haha.
u/Used_Return9095 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
i mean same for us college grads too lol
u/michaelnovatireplied·
The difference is the grads from top 10 colleges are getting great jobs. The grads from top 10 bootcamps are not.