I've been a software engineer for 6 years now. I've worked with both bootcampers and CS majors and I absolutely believe that CS majors have a stronger, deeper understanding of what they are doing.
Yes, there are more ways to learn software engineering than through a degree. But
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Harsh but true.
u/crimsonslaya wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Sounds like a you problem vs a bootcamp problem. No job in 6 years?!?! lmao, not even a support engineering role? Come on... You're either lying for a few upvotes or have a double digit IQ. A shit ton of people that graduated between 2020-2022 have landed great paying jobs in tec
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
"shit ton" doesn't matter if more people aren't getting jobs. It means it's theoretically.pososnle to get.s job out of a bootcamp.
But right now it's an edge case and not a reproducible outcome.
I also have audited Codesmith students later in their careers and at least 10% (rounding down a lot to account for error) that got jobs don't currently have a SWE job anymore (or any job) according to LinkedIn... so there's more to it than just getting that job, there is keeping it. A lot of people who do have jobs have a very jumpy early career moving from job to job, unlike CS grads.
Bootcamp grads don't just have a hard time getting jobs but they have a harder time progressing once the pure grit and hustle wears off and gaps become apparent. Some do extremely well but most don't.
u/crimsonslaya wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Dude, all you do is shit on Codesmith and pimp out Formation or whatever the hell it's called. lol Reddit was super pro bootcamp pre layoffs. Now all you see are posts shitting on good programs.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Dude, Rithm - one of the best bootcamps - shut down. BloomTech paused. Launch Academy paused. Epicodus shut down. Code Up shut down. 2U/EdX went bankrupt. The majority of surviving programs have had layoffs.
It's not me, it's the industry and there's no spinning it positively just because you want bootcamps to work so bad.
u/crimsonslaya wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
No idea what half of those are. I have no money in the game, so there's no incentive on my end to why I'd want bootcamps to work. They were perfectly fine pre layoffs, but have apparently gone downhill in the past year and a half. lol
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Where am I pumping out my company exactly? Where are any recent examples I was promoting not in response to someone asking?
You know Reddit wiped out a dozen pro Codesmith suspicious accounts and two moderators of their sub, and a lot of the threads where I talked about it were in response to those accounts attacking me or my company. Hasn't happened in weeks since those accounts were permanently suspended by Reddit.