If you want to do a bootcamp solely to make $130K a year and change your life, become a police officer in San Francisco instead - hundreds made over $300K last year (see source). You only need a GED!
If you want to do a bootcamp solely to make $130K a year and change your life, become a police officer in San Francisco instead - hundreds made over $300K last year (see source). You only need a GED!
This is a semi-serious post, but I'm seeing far too much focus on the money in a lot of bootcamp marketing. A lot of controversy over the top bootcamps surrounds people not believing outcomes, and then alumni defending them as real, etc...
So my advice if your number one priority is money and you don't have a particular interest in programming, is to become a POLICE OFFICER IN SAN FRANCISCO.
[Here](https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?a=san-francisco&q=police+officer&y=2023&s=-total) is a list of police offer public compensation:
# 1,116 PEOPLE MADE OVER $200K ALL-IN IN 2023
Include base pay, overtime, benefits, other pay, and pension.
[Here](https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/careers/sworn-job-openings/salary-and-benefits) are the base salary and benefits (note officers make most money from overtime):
[Here](https://jobs.smartrecruiters.com/CityAndCountyOfSanFrancisco1/3743990000761416-police-officer-san-francisco-police-department-q002-) is a link to the application
u/YakFull8300 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Id rather not get shot and die.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
"In 2023, no San Francisco police officers died in the line of duty due to gunfire. Comprehensive sources, including the Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP) and various news reports, confirm this information. There were incidents involving gunfire and injuries to officers, but none resulted in fatalities."
u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Okay, but like, how many more hours of OT are we talking about to hit that $300k mark? what rank and how many years to get there? more importantly, how likely is your average joe to make it there?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Base salary ranges from about $100K for L1 to $147K for L3 and you get there through gradual raises over 7 years.
A huge chunk is overtime yeah. I don't know why so many thousands of people have overtime, there are 2,140 officers in SF and over half of them make $200K all-in. Benefits and pensions are big factors too.
But yeah, not an easy job, and lots of hours (maybe same as tech?) but a GED and no further schooling required other than SFPD bootcamp 😉
u/Pristine-Today4611 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Being a coder and police officer are two different kinds of people
u/michaelnovatireplied·
1000% that's why I said semi serious, I don't think most people would consider this
u/g8rojas wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I know it’s not serious post , but a joke about this profession is, IMHO , just bad.
If I were u, delete this post.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
It's not a joke, no, I called it semi-serious because the day to day is SO different than programming that if someone was already a SWE this might not make sense.
The message is important though - genuinely if someone is doing something like line cook at a restaurant and doesn't know how to program and is interested because of the outcomes, that there are a lot of very high paying other jobs to consider. Using police officers in SF as an example, but a lot of similar jobs in SF pay a lot too!
But there aren't YouTube sponsorships from your favorite creators from SFPD like there are for bootcamps.
u/frenchydev1 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Or go to a bootcamp and get a job where you can work on hard and extremely satisfying problems in areas like climate tech, health tech and wellness tech that will have an impact on people across the world. You'll make money along the way and see some great outcomes. Examples of t
u/michaelnovatireplied·
+1 I tihnk software engineer lets you have some of the most impact out of any job. In the market right now thought a bootcamp might not be the right way to to it.
u/JEHonYakuSha wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Please consider taking a break from this sub. I’ve seen your name pop up way too many times. Go take a vacation, a break, anything. It’s not your job to save the world from people taking a coding Bootcamp.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I said this before but my company benefits from more people going to bootcamps and if I feel like using my time in a personal capacity to help people go to bootcamps for the right reasons, that's on me to decide.
I was retired and I don't need to work a day in my life, I'm here to help and just because you don't like the way I try to help, I'm not going to go away.
u/happyjunki3 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
18 years no deaths. 105 deaths total in \~150 years.. 3 K9 deaths :(
[San Francisco Police Department, California, Fallen Officers (odmp.org)](https://www.odmp.org/agency/3445-san-francisco-police-department-california)
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Yeah drugs are the biggest problem right now in SF, Fentanyl specifically. About 800 deaths last year and Fentanyl was responsible for 600 of them.