Kim Spicer: Software Engineer, JavaScript Teacher & Codesmith Alum: People becoming SWEs today are aware of tough market, but persevere because they're truly passionate about coding

Hi, where in the post did you see the quote: "People becoming SWEs today are aware of tough market, but persevere because they're truly passionate about coding"? I read "People that are becoming engineers now are definitely passionate about coding. More so than when the iron was hot and everybody was just talking about how amazing it is to have a tech job" I agree with Kim's comment that a far smaller number of people are considering bootcamps now BUT they are far more passionate and committed and know what they are getting themselves into. I thank that to places like Reddit helping people be informed about bootcamps so they can join for the right reasons and I'm glad she's seeing that trend too. I disagree with OP's characterization that people are "persevering" despite the market. I have a couple of friends who graduated from Codesmith in early 2024 and while it's far too early to tell outcomes and too small of a sample to generalize, they are not good compared to recent CIRR results and people are really struggling to stay engaged. It's easier to say in a sentence that passion for coding helps people tough it out and succeed, but the numbers I see aren't telling that story sadly :( They are telling me that people are fighting tooth and nail and still failing to get jobs and not persevering.... But where there's a will there's hope and I have tremendous hope this will turn around.... and tremendous reasonableness to acknowledge it hasn't yet, and that's ok!

Yeah agree she didn't say enrollment was down. Codesmith cut their offerings from 4 cohorts to 1 so I was assuming that as fact since she works at Codesmith and I agree that I shouldn't assume she knows that in making that statement, it's likely but not assumable. I agree with the rest of what you said too regarding higher costs, lower outcomes, less appealing and maybe impossible for people financially is a good argument too that's unrelated to the outcomes.

I'll edit my comment yeah, I didn't because I stand by the argument but since you are bringing it up again I'll clean it up a bit to address the feedback.