I would break question apart into part time VS self paced.
I think Codesmith is probably the best part time program. But it's super intense still 3 hours a day + 6 hours saturday for NINE MONTHS STRAIGHT. For example, someone who said they have a job and want to part time but they can't imagine committing to nine months of no Saturdays for their family. So as with Codesmith's general offerings, it's ideal for ambitious single people with a lot of savings. I know some people who did part time even though they didn't have a job, to pace it more.
Now self paced is a whole other bucket. Most self paced programs have very low completion rates and they naturally have less of a community vibe as people start and stop and progress at their own paces. Because they rely more on self-motivation, it's hard to interpret outcomes the same way as a part time fixed program because of a lack of meaningful timeframe to look at. CIRR has a spec for self paced programs that choose arbitrary time frames and it's absolute garbage and clearly they don't know how to deal with this either.
BUT if you are the right fit, you might have an amazing outcome at something like Springboard - it's statistically much much rarer because of all those dropouts.
u/Briscoe77 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
If someone was to have the savings to take the 9 month program without working would you recommend the part time over the full time?
Also what do you think about their CSX platform in terms of preparation, how good of job do you think it prepares potential students for the progr
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
It's a personal choice. If you can commit the time and have a support system enabling you to do full time, I would do it full time. You honestly don't learn that much technically and getting it over with will accelerate your job hunt.
CSX is fine but it's pretty minimal compared to some more robust platforms. The best part of pre Codesmith is free workshops.
Codesmith doesn't do much paid marketing and advertising (other than Course Report) and CSX is a marketing tool to get you into the Codesmith ecosystem. Stumble on FREE CSX, join slack, meet others, go to a session, go to another session, and then you get pulled into the system.
I don't know anyone that recommends CSX as the only tool someone new should use the learn JS, I would start with a cheap Udemy course like Colt Steele.
u/Briscoe77 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
By learn much technically what do you mean? Like skills needed to be hirable or the language stack taught?
I can see how only using CSX wouldn’t be the best way to learn JS as it’s mostly problem solving and not applying the info
I have some more personal questions I’d like y
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
There is only about 6 or 7 weeks of materials and you spend like 1 to 2 days on major topics that individually take months to become even intermediate in.
You work on projects and get trained in how to communicate in your resume in messaging how to pass recruiting screens.
I pulled up the LinkedIns five people who just released one of their projects called ReacType and all five of them portrayed this project as full-time software engineer work at a Company for 3 months without specifying that it was a open source group project for a bootcamp and that it was 4 weeks of work.
Yeah sure DM me, I talked to a good number of people about bringing out of Codesmith is a good fit or not them.
If you are a good fit for how it actually works under the hood than it is a very, very uniquely good place to go.
If you are not a good fit for how it works under the hood. then you will not be so happy. For example, an alum who just adamantly refuses to exaggerate in any way on their resume. has been really struggling to get a job and it's really demoralizing to see their peers who are inflating their work getting jobs and the person is really not a good place.
The way they market though is really kind of positive and always why they're amazing and why it's the best and that kind of vibe and they don't really explain like the practicalities of how it works. The CEO talks about competencies all the time. and the modern engineer and all of these kind of ideas that are interesting to talk about. but then day-to-day. how do the people get jobs because it's not magic and it's not some special Kool-Aid to drink and you've got the job. it's actually completely different than how it's being portrayed.
And for some people, codesmith is the absolute best. best best choice though and