Anyone have any updates from CIRR and their new standards for 2022 full year outcomes? All the "official standards documents" on their website are "owned" by Codesmith's former product manager (!?!), not someone at CIRR, and haven't been updated in a long time.

Anyone have any updates from CIRR and their new standards for 2022 full year outcomes? All the "official standards documents" on their website are "owned" by Codesmith's former product manager (!?!), not someone at CIRR, and haven't been updated in a long time. Hi all, I'm hitting the slopes skiing in Japan and what else would I be doing but checking up on CIRR's website because we're all awaiting new updates any day now! However, I'm more concerned than ever that it's kind of falling apart :( 1. All previous data seemed to have disappeared, so there are no past reports to look at, zero data on the site. After the site changed ownership and hosting behind the scenes, I'm concerned they lost access to the previous data and it's gone :(. I would love any evidence anyone has if this is correct or not, just a theory because I can't imagine why they would delete all the old data. 2. I noticed that the standard docs linked to there are Google Drive links from **a former Codesmith Product Manager's personal Google Drive.** It seems suspicious that a Codesmith employee, not the person on the Codesmith employee board of CIRR, but a product manager, is hosting CIRR's OFFICIAL STANDARDS. I'm not going to DOX the person but I have collected screenshots and records and you can do the same by viewing the ownership details of the PDFs on their site. 3. The Executive Director took a job as a COO of a think tank a month ago. They did a great Q&A here months prior to that but now I'm not sure how much effort they have to run CIRR. 4. We should have been expecting results from H1 2023 any day HOWEVER due to an unpublished change in the spec, we haven't even seen H2 2022 results yet. Those would have been expected 6 months ago, but CIRR changed the rules to report 12 month post-grad placement numbers instead of 6 months, and told us to wait another 6 months. 5. It's now time when those new 12 month results should come out but I can't find the standard anywhere that these new results will be governed by. If the results just get released spontaneously, we need time to evaluate the new standard... that's the whole point of being CIRR and being open and transparent. Anyways, let me know your thoughts. It's a hard market and I don't want to rub salt in a wound if that's the case, I'm just telling y'all how I see it and would love nothing more than if bootcamps were flourishing right now. At the end of the day though, for those of you considering bootcamps - there are success stories, but you should be patient and do your research to find the right one for you - if any. ​

The last I heard maybe two weeks ago, is that they expected it to come out "soon"

Yeah, when the times are good, people can't wait to shout the results from the rooftops, when they are bad, lots of excuses, changing the metrics, changing definitions, etc... The USA is a capitalist market and the companies are doing what they should be doing, and we as consumers (I mean I represent a company too and I need to always disclose that, but I'm on Reddit representing myself personally) also need to do what we need to do our homework as well.

It's even more weird if a CIRR.org owned Google Drive is being edited by a former Codesmith employee, no? Like it's not flip the table conspiracy theory, it's just this is not the bar I expected from CIRR or from Codesmith and they all need to get their stuff together! Codesmith has so many problems with their website, privacy, cookies, sharing of data, I don't know where to even begin, and this CIRR thing isn't helping convince me otherwise lol

Kind of like Eric K was trying to help someone who was laid off and connected them to the CIRR folks? Seems fine but just doesn't help whatsoever in CIRR's independence

Yeah I mean I'm not trying to call any individuals out, except maybe Eric K because he seems to be at the center of all the stuff people tell me about that is personal about me by name. But the CIRR people: nothing personal in calling this stuff out, literally just open and transparent and want people to see interesting realities Words are easy, actions are hard.

A lie is something you know is false and state.aa true..This was an honest mistake that was corrected as soon as I realized it. Showing I'm human and act with integrity to me sets a better example than deleting a post.

I know we have a rocky history of getting along but can you DM me. I'm strongly against any unsourced claims against anyone good or bad and might be productive if we have a direct line of communication.

I can clarify that my motivation for the original post was to point out that CIRR appears to be falling apart and that Codemsith is the only entity left with motivation to keep it going, so that a former Codemsith employee being connected to CIRR to work there could possibly indicate close and control between CIRR and Codesmith. That's all, I don't think I implied anything about anything nefarious going on or changing standards or a Codemsith person backdooring anything and if I did, I'm happy to edit that to make it clearer. When I reread the title, it's not the best, it's limited to 300 characters and I could have done better. I'm literally skiing all over Hokkaido and waking up at 5am every morning to work and dropped the ball a bit with the title in terms of communicating what I intended. The content itself is only briefly about Codemsith and is mostly about concerns about CIRR.

I would say two buckets (without going into specifics in public that might be a security issue) 1. Lack of attention to detail on the basics 2. Oversharing student information in info sessions