I have looked line by line yet, but I skimmed and major note is that the backend programs results are a result of the Amazon Technical Academy, which guaranteed interviews for people at Amazon and resulted in solid outcomes for backend.
This is why I think the best path forward is for bootcamps to make partnerships to get graduates into apprenticeships. Do that for 9 months instead of job hunting then convert to an entry level FAANG role.
That said, haven't heard anything about this program continuing into 2023 yet.
Another thing that jumped out was the high number of people who "weren't job hunting" and excluded from placement states. Seemed high compared to other bootcamps.
u/metalreflectslime wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I am not sure if I believe this because this was allegedly their outcomes statistics in 2021:
https://twitter.com/fulligin/status/1452658640809197569
u/michaelnovatireplied·
See my comment above. BloomTech is totally in their right to market the heck out of their results, but after all the lawsuits they've had, I would give them the benefit of the doubt their outcomes are "legally accurate", and use it as motivation to read between the lines.
I asked Austen on X and found out that only 37 people did the backend program for example, but the big news is that enrollment dropped by 1000 people and they laid off half their staff recently. So I think people realize what's going on, but I'm not someone to hold grudges and want to try to judge everyting new with a clean lens.
u/Significant_Wing_878 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
how can you start with 600, place 200, and say you have a overall 80%+ placement rate
u/michaelnovatireplied·
BloomTech moved to a cohortless self service platform with live lectures you opt into every week.
50% graduation is in the ballpark of Springboard's public numbers as well.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing but it's something that should be made clear to people.
Instead of focusing on how to get a job, people should focus on how to graduate, because graduating seems much harder and once you do, getting a job seems more likely.
u/Significant_Wing_878 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
They say they a 60% graduation rate, but count only 250/640 as eligible? Realistically 380 should have been deemed eligible
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Yeah the super high non-job seeking rate is something I want more commentary on. I definitely think slapping a 90% number on the homepage without explaining all of this is concerning to me personally in that I don't feel like I understand how this works.
u/Significant_Wing_878 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
they say they give a 110% refund on their website, all I need to know
u/michaelnovatireplied·
And so many people aren't job seeking so they aren't even eligible for that
u/VastAmphibian wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
the non-job seekers category includes unresponsive graduates. I have a feeling that could be the bulk of the ~100 people in that bucket.
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Do you have the source on that so I can lock that into my knowledge base? That's a little sus.
u/VastAmphibian wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
the non-job seekers category includes unresponsive graduates. I have a feeling that could be the bulk of the ~100 people in that bucket.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I found the source here: https://www.bloomtech.com/reports/outcomes-report-2022
\#17 - " A BloomTech graduate who has been unresponsive to outreach, has explicitly indicated they are not pursuing a technical role, or has explicitly indicated they have paused their job search."
u/Mindless-Sky-1907 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I have on good authority that the Amazon program has been frozen for about a year now.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Can you DM me more about this? I had some Twitter back and forths with Austen asking about the Amazon program and what it's status is and he skirted around talking about it.