u/MundaneValuable7 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Technically you are correct, I should have said there is no outcome data for grads since June 2022 if we want to be pedantic.
https://cirr.org/data
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\+1 this, I don't agree with the decision to withhold 2023 results until 2024 so that 12 month placement rates can be reported.
From my conversations with people, numerous +1s to publish the H2 2022 data as is, and then republish 2022 data with 12 month placement rates.
Even people who graduated in H1 2023's data isn't relevant right now as the market changes week to week, and H2 2022 is even irrelevant at this point.
At the end of the day, it's no secret bootcamps are cutting back: Hack Reactor just chopped of the part time program, Codesmith laid off almost 20% of staff and a few people have left since then from what I've seen - and remaining staff are feeling pressure to pick up the slack (on the admissions, instruction, and placements side of things).
So trying to massage the data to present a better picture will never connect with an educated audience that knows the market is bad and wants to be on the same page with their bootcamp instead of in different universes.
u/MundaneValuable7 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Technically you are correct, I should have said there is no outcome data for grads since June 2022 if we want to be pedantic.
https://cirr.org/data
u/michaelnovatireplied·· edited★ FEATURED
\+1 this, I don't agree with the decision to withhold 2023 results until 2024 so that 12 month placement rates can be reported.
From my conversations with people, numerous +1s to publish the H2 2022 data as is, and then republish 2022 data with 12 month placement rates.
Even people who graduated in H1 2023's data isn't relevant right now as the market changes week to week, and H2 2022 is even irrelevant at this point.
At the end of the day, it's no secret bootcamps are cutting back: Hack Reactor just chopped of the part time program, Codesmith laid off almost 20% of staff and a few people have left since then from what I've seen - and remaining staff are feeling pressure to pick up the slack (on the admissions, instruction, and placements side of things).
So trying to massage the data to present a better picture will never connect with an educated audience that knows the market is bad and wants to be on the same page with their bootcamp instead of in different universes.
u/InTheDarkDancing wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I think it's fair to be skeptical of the timing change. I skimmed over the rationale but it didn't make a ton of sense to me the first pass through either. Codesmith has shared average salaries grads have gotten up to Q3 2023, but not percentages: https://www.codesmith.io/graduat
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
They laid off almost 20% of people, who are under gag agreements, but there are numerous people considering leaving or who left who are not. They have reduced cohorts, they are moving around resources for the Future Code program, there's so much going on that people should not be judging Codesmith by CIRR right now even if they did publish 2022 results. Everyone has to be so positive on camera and behind the scenes I bet Codesmith has no clue who the people who are most upset are.
u/Alexandis wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
No I didn't take more than a year and 3 months to find a job. Please re-read my comment. I'm not dishonest but you are certainly misreading my comments.
I was hired about halfway through my WGU time so at around the six months of a year program,.
The job placement rate from *ce
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\+1 this, Codesmiths placement rate isn't great right now. They published some SALARY numbers for 2023 on their blog but conveniently left out placement rates. Fortunately I know a bunch of people who work and worked there and they share these things internally - the numbers are down, they know it, they aren't telling anyone and people have a right to not be happy about that and to demand numbers. If Codesmith info sessions and their website tout an 80% placement rate when their internal presentations show a lower number - that's not cool.