I reported that thread for vote manipulation so perhaps Reddit took action because it was being manipulated?
u/NoneNib wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
The one post that bragged about having a 140K TC after attending codesmith? Created by someone with a 1-day ago account with 0 post. Sounded like a complete ad. Not surprised mod would take it down.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I've repeatedly suggested that this sub turn on a minimum karma to post and comment, otherwise we rely on Reddit's machine learning algorithms identifying bad actors and user reporting.
u/Efficiu wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
If I were doing an AMA for hack reactor I would do it on a fresh acc. I have too many identifiable info in my post history.
The deletion of the thread is a serious breach of trust and might as well boycott this sub onwards If this blatant level of corruption is going to happen
u/michaelnovatireplied·DELETED · archived copy
You demanded the old moderator be replaced and they were replaced. This is a new moderator who started like a few weeks ago.
u/LongjumpingFan9447 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
But there have been many AMAs. They were really important in my applications. Why was this one deleted?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
All the old moderators (except the founder) were removed a few weeks ago and a new moderator was added
u/portugese_fruit wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I'm ex-cs and I 100% support this
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
It's very reasonable to question a new account posting about a $140K outcome and we can have a very REASONABLE conversation about it.
If people are that passionate for and against Codesmith and don't want to have REASONABLE discussions then moderation won't help... people have to self reflect a bit more and try to be more open minded.
I've had 20+ alumni, sutdents, staff, former staff and family of students tell me that Codesmith is extremely positive place with processes to "correct negativity" and that's part of the problem. The result is that people with feedback message me telling me they have no where to give feedback and they dump it on me instead. It's really hard to navigate!
u/raysim2 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
it says it was deleted by a mod or mods.
This bias is sickening as a codesmith alum. the mod team literally left doxing threads up recently with full codesmith students names and linkedin and they delete the positive informative thread
u/michaelnovatireplied·· edited
Do you have a link to that thread?
Just my personal opinion, but people can't argue against facts, but retorting with an unsourced response can provoke people from my experience in this sub.
u/LongjumpingFan9447 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
How are the mods selected?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
The founder u/samerbuna has managed the sub for 10+ years or something and is the ultimate decider on mods.
u/LongjumpingFan9447 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Exactly. There can be reasonable conversations about these topics not deleting
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I worked at Facebook during the beginning of the "fake news" era and people blamed Facebook completely blind to their own biases, so there's only so much mods can do.
Us vs Them narratives get a lot of activity and further polarize the narratives and that's why I use my real name here and try to sources things.
u/Tanker70 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Michael - you've made a lot of posts here and your contributions are generally positive. However, the last post you made and the comments you've made come off SUPER biased - you're literally a founder of a competitor. I have an extremely hard time believing that you are really co
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
I appreciate you sharing your views professionally. The fact that I'm extremely open about who I am enabled this kind of reasonable discussion, and anonymous new accounts that might have their own biases cannot possible be evaluated fairly.
Codesmith isn't a competitor in my opinion. There are a small number (about 15%) of people who go to Codesmith who might be a candidate for Formation, but likely not. We don't work with new college grads right now and people with zero experience is an edge case. Like the 15% is an edge case for both Codesmith and us that neither of us market to, in my opinion.
I in fact talk to make people 1-1 and suggest they go to Codesmith and to consider coming to Formation in a few years.
The way Formation works though could expand in the future to people who don't have any coding experience but it's not on the radar right now. I think it's fair that the fact that it could be is a bias.
I don't agree with the removal of that post for the lack of history of the OP btw unless Reddit moderators discovered bad actors.
Codesmith has said that "a quarter" (vague to protect sourcing) of people come from Reddit so I do indeed think it's something they care about. Formation's main sources of people are word of mouth, LinkedIn, partnerships with industry groups, and proactive reach outs. Reddit is a small fraction of social media sources. We're not a bootcamp and the content in this sub, both good and bad, isn't really representative of Formation - as you said.
But a thought experiment is: what if I didn't have my name on my account and had a dozen anonymous accounts and said all the same things across all those accounts. My opinion is that that would be very unhealthy for the sub and for all we know people are doing that from Codesmith and Hack Reacotr because they have no official voices here like many other programs (Rithm, Launch School, App Academy, NuCamp).
If Codesmith, or someone like Will or Eric or Phil were on Reddit, I think we would have really intense but professional and valuable debates that would benefit all. Instead I debate students and alumni with unequal balance of information and I debate these leaders through their anonymous accounts. We would probably sort out a lot of things and they wouldn't be so polarizing!
Like on my post about the quality of OSP projects, lets say their CEO commented and said more insight into the projects and that he's looking into why students are claiming so much experience on their resumes and will try to stop it! Or w/e like it would be a lot better discussion. We would end up with a good understanding of what these things are. What mid-level and senior mean to each of us, etc...
u/LongjumpingFan9447 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
This is the same sub that pinned a post about App Academy being taught by AI which was completely inaccurate when you actually watched the video
u/michaelnovatireplied·
That was the old moderator btw
u/CI-AI wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I could understand people not wanting their identity shared if there’s some identifiable information about them though.
I was hesitant myself, but figured it would get flagged if I used a new account to share my experiences. Doesn’t make it shady at all, people tend to like pri
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
Yeah but you can also build account history by commenting valuable, non identifiable responses, and building enough karma before posting said anonymous AMAs.
I also think people can talk about their experineces without giving away context.
If you are doing an "Ask Me Anything" you are going to get questions that result in you giving context on your background that is identifying at the end of the day.