A lot of commenters don't believe this is real, I do, but I have a lot of words of caution and OP's post is potentially irresponsible in this community because the result is not reproducible at scale and broadcasting it to 33K people without any context doesn't help anyone figure anything out.
1. 1 year ago was Sept 2022, meaning you got he job before then and started then. Amazon was still hiring their last remaining hires in Sept 2022. The hardest time to get hired was the very end of 2022 and H1 of 2023.
2. "Total Compensation" needs clarification. What's the base, what's the signing bonus, what's the performance bonus, how are you valuing the stock, are you including relocation or other benefits in that?
3. Tell us more about the job. I know people who graduated Codesmith with $150K **contractor** role and that's much different than a full time role.... many of those people are not employed anymore in 8 to 14 months.
4. Tell us more about your background before the job. At Codesmith for example, from recent data posted to Reddit by a student, the median starting salary of people going in is in the $70Ks and 20%+ were making $90K+ BEFORE starting. So what was your increase in compensation?
u/wulfcastle17 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I landed a 180k backend role at a big tech company with 0yoe. Know many others. You morons don’t realize that no one gives a flying fuck about degrees. All they care about at big tech is leetcode. I did over 300 leetcode problems and used my bootcamp alumni network to get referra
u/michaelnovatireplied·· edited
You should make as much money as you can because with the attitude I don't think you'll last long in the industry.
What bootcamp did you go to so that I can advise people not to go there?
u/DEV-Christopher wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Did he say he had 0 YOE?
The biggest offer at my bootcamp this year was above $400k at FAANG.
$120k is the median right now for those who’ve gotten jobs so far in my cohort.
Your constant hyperbolic negative sentiments about the industry is actually making things worse for
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I don't disagree with this, but the opposite comments: "I made $130K anyone can do it" followed by comments 'where did you go, I'm applying right away' are even more damaging. Joining programs for the wrong reasons is very dangerous.
I work with someone this week self-taught, no full time experience, got a job at Facebook making $200K, and someone else self-taught who has been struggling for well over a year to even get an interview.
**Individual stories mean absolutely nothing, do not make decisions from a handful of individual outcomes on Reddit, figure out how it works and if that's what works for you too!!1**
u/keylimepiewolf wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Congrats! Do you have any advice for those of us struggling to get a job in this market? A friend of mine got a similar offer a year ago, so I thought those kinds of opportunities would at least be possible in the current market, but so far I'm coming up empty
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Really tough market for people without experience or new bootcamp grads. There are no shortcuts but I would highly recommend joining industry groups for underrepresented engineers that you identify with as a lot of apprenticeships are advertised and sponsored amongst these groups.
u/metalreflectslime wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
It looks like he attended Hack Reactor.
https://imgur.com/a/4NCzU1o
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Will edit, thanks! I think I was looking at the wrong person :(
u/slickvic33 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Can you elaborate on point 3, Michael. Are you saying that many of those who obtained higher paid contract roles out of bootcamp washed out ie. Got fired, couldnt get any roles and left the software field?
u/michaelnovatireplied·★ FEATURED
So it depends on the role but most of the ones I saw were Facebook contractors for anywhere from 3 months to 12 months.
I would have to write an essay haha.
So at Facebook most contractors are "Software Developers" and while paid $150K run rates the role has zero path to SWE and you have to interview like anyone else.
Other companies are different but the common threads are:
1. Higher than normal base salary
2. Lower or no bonus
3. No equity
4. Worse benefits / none of those sweet full time benefits
5. Generally worse vacation policies
6. First to go when there are re orgs or budget cuts
7. Typically let go suddenly with zero notice and it's quite frustrating - even if you are performing well.
Would I take one of these hours of a bootcamp - HECK YEAH! But when you talk about it on Reddit it's just a completely different job than even a full time job at a worse company and no one on there understands these nuances and many just don't care because they are so desperate just for any job right now.
I just had a retreat this weekend with 8 Formation Fellows and I can tell you how incredibly different and amazing each person is and how their paths are all going to be completely different and I wish I could capture that feeling on Reddit - where people jump on anecdotal and one off info and make life impacting decisions.
u/dreamcatcherWest wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Just to expand a bit: I began interviewing in the very last week of September last year. That's why I referred to it as an anniversary. I'm not concerned if some find it suspicious. While you're free to believe what you choose, remember that sometimes people genuinely want to hel
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I think it's great you posted, but I do think that you could have offered more help in the original post itself. This sub is full of scams and half-scams and it's hard to tell whose legit or not.