When do the July-Decemember 2022 CIRR Results Come Out?

Last year's came out mid September for the first wave and first week of October for the 2nd wave. For Codesmith, Will Sentance said in a public talk this week that the numbers are somewhere 'around $120Ks but need to be audited still and will come out soon'. (No source, but credible) I personally don't care what the salary numbers are and am more curious about the placement rates themselves, but I know a lot of people care about the salary numbers. On the other hand, Codesmith describes itself as "Codesmith is a team dedicated to democratizing elite education for a new era - the outcomes of an elite grad school but online and for 1/10th of the cost" [Source](https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Codesmith-EI_IE1093972.11,20.htm). And I know that elite school new grads I work with are getting about $155K base salaries right now at FAANG-level companies (and $200K+ with equity). So I care about salaries in so much that they can be used to evaluate the credibility of a company's marketing :)

So there are a three ingredients, Will Sentance has talked about this in public talks, and I have a hunch Launch School would agree re: their Capstone as well (but don't take my word for it!!) 1. Be a strong engineer to begin with/lots of potential. Good bootcamps test for this by having a challenging acceptance process. People prep for Codesmith for months and often fail their first interview. People have to complete Launch School Core for many months before applying to Capstone. 2. Build raw technical skills. A program has to train these and it's very very hard to do in 12 weeks. A project is one way to apply technical skills, and both of these programs focus on multi-week long group projects that are the highlight of your experience. 3. Be able to communicate and talk about your experience confidently to non-engineers. This includes your resume and recruiter outreach to be impressive enough to stand out. This is where both Codesmith and Launch School excel - but in different ways. At Launch School people build out in depth documentation and processes around their projects and do public, well polished presentations about them as well. At Codesmith, they've excelled how to train people to talk about their 3 week projects as if they are 'many months of senior engineering work' and to convince others of this. Number 3 is the key to getting a job - and doesn't necessarily require projects, but it requires you to practice portraying yourself as a 'legit' engineer. And to get to number 3 you generally need 1 and 2.

Hi! I'm happy to clarify and thanks for being transparent on your views. There are definitely some misunderstandings. I was the #1 committing engineer at Facebook when I was there and I got a heck of a lot done and I still do. I spend extremely little time on Reddit and Codesmith relative to my day job. I'm on the ground helping and responding to Fellows all day, fixing bugs as fast as humanly possible, and building new features and technology. And my Fellows will back me up on that. You are also 100% correct that the more Codesmith grads there are the more Formation customers there are in 1 to 4 years from now... it's a bias I try to disclose but I have Codesmith grads insisting I'm still trying to steal Codesmith students or get people to go to Formation instead of a bootcamp... which couldn't be farther from the truth. I actually recommend a lot of people go to Codesmith 1-1 and help people figure that out on a personal basis. I criticize Codesmith on 3 areas because that voice is reflected by dozens of people that message me and dozens of industry engineers and recruiters echoing the same message and people are doing a disservice to themselves by not understanding all points of view. 1. Resumes and LinkedIns of grads are consistently misrepresenting OSP experience 2. OSLabs has clear blatant ties to Codesmith but is supposed to be an independent charity 3. Graduates are not turned into mid level and senior engineers if they have no prior experience. It might surprise you that I work with Codesmith grads and help them do whatever they want/need to do with their resumes and some exaggerate their experience and I support them doing it while understanding the risks and downsides. There are absolutely things Formation is amazing at and amazing success stories every day - someone signed a legit Facebook mid level offer just this week - but there are many people it doesn't work for and many bad things about it that people should also know about in figuring out if it's right for them.