Definitely not a scam. It's international and that's why it's not talked about as much here. The only sketchy thing about them is the placement rates are a little confusing to many at first read. The 87% rate is NUMBER OF PEOPLE PLACED IN SIX MONTHS / NUMBER OF PEOPLE PLACED, it's not the number of people that graduate. Self paced, online, remote programs tend to have worse completion rates than most programs - especially the cheaper they area, so I think that's an important number to know.
u/Ocilla wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Hey, I know this is a bit old but I just found this thread. Can you elaborate on your comment?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
So the 87% or whatever number comes from this full report: [https://practicum-content.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/usa-main/Outcomes\_Report\_2022.pdf](https://practicum-content.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/usa-main/Outcomes_Report_2022.pdf)
"The outcomes presented in this report were collected through an online survey of 1613 alumni who’d g**raduated before 2H 2022 and reported working in a field relevant to their training**."
The bolded thing is important because all of the data in the report comes from PEOPLE WHO REPORTED HAVING A JOB! And doesn't include:
1. People who didn't graduate
2. People who graduated and didn't get a job (and possibly were refunded from the guarantee, but I would like to know how many people that is)
The "employment rate" in this report is not people who GOT A JOB. But it's people WHO GOT A JOB WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF GRADUATING.
So 87% doesn't mean 87% of people got a job. But 87% of all peolpe who got jobs in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,8 , 9, 10+ months, were in 6 or less and 13% got jobs in more than six months.
Again, this isn't a judgement whatsoever on the numbers themselves, just a comment on what that 87% means.
u/Far_Choice_6419 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
So they're legit in some sense. If you put effort into it and they help you get a job after taking the courses? I know a lot about computer science but seems like getting a job via bootcamp seems to be a good idea since they have partnerships with the big tech whom likes to hire
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Do you know what partnerships they have for hiring?
I see the word being thrown around. Like one alumni worked at Mavis Tire and referred someone and then called that a hiring partnership.... versus a real signed contract with a company.
In this market, if it's not signed, cross your fingers and hope a referral goes through but it's not something anyone can guarantee.
u/TurbulentBadger3008 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
That is a great point ! I did the web dev course myself 3 years ago with Tripleten ( Yandex at the time ! :-) ) and indeed a lot of people just drop off / are not committed to put on the required work and efforts over a 10 months period... not so surprisingly! . I graduated after
u/michaelnovatireplied·
+100 to this, my concern is people sign up, love the first two sprints, come on Reddit with their referral code to gert $500 per referral telling people how great it is, and they themselves drop out a few sprints later.
It's good that you long finished the program and would recommend it.
u/michaelnovatireplied·
How are people accounted for who are active for years and not completed and not-not completed?
u/BasicProduct1758 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
the promo codes are legit. students who are already enrolled have a promo code (like me) if you were to sign up with my promo code, i would get 500 bucks off of my total tuition and so would you. the more people you recruit/refer, the more discounted your tuition is... It is def
u/michaelnovatireplied·· edited
that might not be a scam but what you describe literally is a pyramid scheme. You're saying that you could potentially even make a profit by just referring people into the program and then those people can make a profit by referring people into the program and it seems to go on forever. so that sounds like a pyramid scheme?
u/Zoditu wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Yes :) ! Been working there for almost 2 years! It's been a great experience for me, as a 10 years of experience Computer Science and Engineer in the industry, as well as a former college teacher, I just give this as a hobby (And some extra money :D), but I'm impressed of their e
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Do you feel the 87% placement rate is real? Like for every 10 students you work with 8 to 9 get placed 6 months after graduating.
Or of every 10 students you work with how many actually graduate?
u/Zoditu wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
The majority of the students that work with me, graduate, but for the numbers of jobs... I would say 50/50 from what already graduated students tell me :) Some of them have already gotten jobs in some companies/consultancies, government of they just used the bootcamp to make a pu
u/michaelnovatireplied·· edited
Why do you think it's almost impossible to find Triple Ten grads who gets jobs.
Im a mod and sooooo many posts get filtered if students a couple weeks in trying to spam discount codes for Triple Ten and a couple years later not a single one of those people has come back to Reddit and said they got a job eventually.
Very sus.
u/Zoditu wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Weirdly I have students that are related to IT or Gamers, hence, most of my students barely know how to use all the features of computers, Discord, the platform, and sometimes they even have difficulties making copies of Google Driver folders/files hahahahaha Obviously I see a hu
u/michaelnovatireplied·
That doesn't explain why those people post their codes on Reddit and then when asked 6 to 12 months later what's up they either don't respond, say they are still doing it, or say they dropped it... Only a handful of people said they got a job and the ones I remember were better jobs than before but not the ideal best job they trained for at Triple Ten.
I'm all for Triple Ten being a multi year async platform that people find useful for the cost but it's not marketed that way.
u/Typical_Glove4566 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
How many started and didn’t finish truly doesn’t matter when dealing with adult learners. People quit for many reasons. Coming from someone whose worked in education for almost 2 decades
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I actually agree, the problem is if the typical person seeing the marketing is led to believe 87% of people who sign up get jobs at the end, which isn't the case.
u/beachbarbacoa wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Either you don’t know what a pyramid scam is or you don’t know what “literally” means - it literally is not a pyramid scheme. Have you never heard of referral programs or affiliate marketing?
In a pyramid scam money coming in is used to pay returns on existing money, this can’t
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Yeah that's fair, I'll edit to clarify, because that's out of context and based on the other person's answer.
I was latching on to: "the more people you recruit/refer, the more discounted your tuition is."
my point was that if everyone referred everyone such that their tuition was $0 or negative, then how does the business operate?
more of a theoretical extreme that I will clarify
u/Ok-Corner7959 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
So it's legit? Prove it!
u/michaelnovatireplied·
It's legit in that it's a real company that offers a real service. Legit doesn't mean it's worth it, flawless, etc... I have a lot of unanswered questions still about Triple Ten, but it's not like a fake company or something.
u/Ok-Corner7959 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I'm interested in tech so it's real?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I want to make sure I'm not misleading here. It's a real company and not some scam that will take your money and disappear, like a gift card scam type thing.
I personally advise against going to any bootcamp right now because even if it was the best bootcamp in the world and flawless you likely won't get a job in this market.
u/Simple-Raccoon8085 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I see most people having success already had a previous degree. Is there success for people without background knowledge?
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I don't know enough to comment on that so maybe ask them for more details. If they won't answer the questions well then don't sign up
u/Emotional-Adagio7372 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
This is false information. May be what’s advertised, but they post all placements on LinkedIn it’s like 3-4 a week. Considering there’s hundred students that started with me, those numbers are not 87%. That’s 100% fabricated to boost student intake
u/michaelnovatireplied·
Are you saying that my analysis is false, or that the 87% is false?
My analysis was explaining that it's not what it seems and the discrepancy between that and reality.
But I wanted to clarify if you are saying that my analysis is wrong or if you are saying that you don't think the 87% of all placements happening 6 months post graduation versus the other placements that take longer than 6 months, is even accurate.
u/Emotional-Adagio7372 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I do not believe that 87% did a job placement post graduation. Out of the 50 that I started with I can tell you 10 right now off the top of my head who are still applying. If you go check their LinkedIn and track when they post their students getting a new job, even a warehouse j
u/michaelnovatireplied·
I think the workaround is those 40 people who gave up technically didn't drop out and probably weren't refunded, and are in limbo status.