Need advice

Oof this is a tough spot because you also want to make sure the one you choose is also good for you! So TripleTen (formerly Practicum) some things about their numbers because numerous people were surprised by this... they publicize that "87% of our grads get hired in 6 months or less". If you read their report, this is that 87% of GRADUATES WHO ARE HIRED are hired in 6 months or less, and 13% ARE HIRED IN MORE THAN SIX MOTHS. They don't include people refunded or people who drop out in this stat. I couldn't find the graduation rate anywhere or the number of people they refund every year, I would ask them for both these numbers in order to understand their outcomes better. Second, they are owned by the multinational search engine Yandex, and that also wasn't obvious to a lot of people. All of this is not a reason to not go, just things that seemed not obvious to others in prior discussions. I don't have any information on Code the Dream, but it seems less structured and job focused than TripleTen.

Yeah the reason I say that often is because I have a public presence and I'm loosely in the space myself, so I want to try to present facts and let the informed consumer to the rest of the work and figure out their opinion based on that. For example, in the TripleTen source they are fairly clear over and over that only people placed are included in their stats and it's not as sketchy as it could be, so I don't want to be the judge of that, and the informed consumer can state their opinion of if they think that's clear or not haha.

Unfortunately, I can't give one recommendation for everyone because everyone has a different background, life circumstances, personality, goals, and learning style. I usually recommend you start narrowing down your list objectively: which programs have good outcomes, which ones have good reviews, etc... Then try to do free programs at each of them, many have some kind of free community or free activities. Keep in mind that these are marketing events in disguise, but at least try to get a sense for what the day to day would be like! And then focus super hard on which one is right for you by asking questions: 1. What is the day to day schedule and workload like? 2. What is the teaching style (e.g. lectures, self teaching, projects, etc...) 3. How much instructor access do you have? 4. Do you want in person or remote? 5. What cities are people getting jobs in? 6. What kind of backgrounds do other people have going in and do they match yours (e.g. CS degrees, experience, no experience, etc...) 7. How selective are they with admissions? Do they let anyone in or do they have a high bar? For a spectrum of options, I often recommend looking at: 1. Codesmith: intense and ambitious (11 hour days + saturdays), hustlers/hard workers, fairly lightweight curriculum that focuses on hard learning and doing 2. Rithm: small classes, focus on learning 3. Launch School: self paced CORE, highly selective for Capstone, similar crowd to Codesmith but self paced CORE has to work for you to get through the base work 4. Hack Reactor / App Academy: long standing solid programs, weakness is higher drop out rates which can mask the unsuccessful students

Read the raw report. Someone is only an alumni if they get a job :) otherwise they are not considered an alumni and not included "The information in this report was gathered through an online survey of 1613 TripleTen alumni who had graduated before 2H 2022 and reported working a job in their field" Read that carefully.... only people who got a job are included in the report and 87% of them got a job in 6 months and 13% took more than 6 months. Ask them how many people ever graduate, I can't find that anywhere.

Yeah please do, ask straight up what the graduation rate is. If they say that the program is self paced and they don't know then ask how many people graduate within 9 months or 1 year or whatever timeframe they can choose and you won't join without knowing.

So one of the challenges with self-paced programs is the timeframe isn't fixed. So let's say 100 people started January 2022 and they are chugging along very slowly but haven't graduated but haven't dropped out... what are they? It's reasonable to have them pending, but then I would want to know what the graduation time window is for people who graduate.

Oh ok so then I would ask of all people who start do 79% graduate in 10 months? And then of the 79% who graduate, you are saying 88% get a job?