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u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Codesmith is a top bootcamp yeah and produces arguably the best results of any bootcamp. But it really matters most if it's best for YOU and how it happens is more important than the raw results. It's more like they only let in people who are more likely to succeed and hence more people succeed than other program.... rather than anyone who gets in has a golden ticket to success. Reason why they are really good: 1. Very high entrance bar and only let people who meet the bar 2. Excellent alumni network who stay close to Codesmith 3. The founder cares a ton about teaching... I bet he would love to just teach all day and not deal with the business side haha. 4. They are extremely good at helping people leverage their ambitiousness to present themselves most strongly for jobs 1. This is often controversial because some people feel they support you in lying on your resumes to get past resume screens and get interviewed for roles typically for people with experience 2. They tend to push you for mid-level roles, even at worse companies, over getting roles that are more appropriate for your experience - and growth as an engineer. 5. Codesmith appeals to professionals who were successful in another industry, like doctors, mechanical engineers, accountants, lawyers, web developers, etc.... who tend to have a lot of savings and be quite ambitious people - with experience working. I find that people who come from less professional industries, like food or customer service and might not have any college degree, tend to have a little harder time getting those top jobs.

u/ForgotMyNameeee wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

how is web developer a different industry? i thought thats what theyre studying in the bootcamp

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
By web developer I mean people who are doing just HTML and CSS and primarily working in tools like Webflow, or doing custom Shopify websites or marketing emails. Someone in that role is a common person to do a more advanced program to level up to. “Software Engineer” role Codesmith is aiming at getting people legit software roles and it’s one of the reasons outcomes are high. A lot of bootcamps place people in support roles or customer analyst roles or developer roles… again why it’s so important to find the right program for you because depending on your goals, do you want to choose the right path or you don’t wanna just go to Codesmith because the numbers on paper so high

u/thisis-clemfandango wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Not to be a contrarian but I've read that their material is outdated and that a lot of the instructors are just former students

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
This is true for the most part. They are working on updating their materials by having alumni in the industry give official feedback. The ethos of education is "hard learning" and they want you to learn how to learn when overwhelmed, so I don't think they care that much about the curriculum. But enough people have complained I think they are looking into it. I kept a close on on the staff backgrounds since I was shocked to see the vast majority of alumni exaggerating their OSP experience in number 4.a. I investigated after numerous staff members where I work didn't realize Codesmith alumni had no experience based on their resumes and the people were not super clear in their interviews either :(. There are about 80ish +/- a lot out of 130ish employees on their website that are alumni of Codesmith itself (it fluctuates a lot, check for yourself!) 50ish are TAs/Fellows, 15ish are career support/advisors/interviews, 10ish are instructors or lead instructors, and a sprinkling of other jobs. I found one teacher who wasn't a Codesmith grad and they were an alumni of another program. To me this doesn't reflect poorly on the quality though, it's a sign of intense commitment from the alumni community. The problems from this that I've seen are a "family-like" mentality where people are super defensive of Codesmith, and no one has any experience outside of the Codesmith ecosystem to add. So extreme reinforcement of the "codesmith way of doing things", which is good when times are good, and comes across quite defensive and stubborn when times are bad.