Boot camp?

I'm familiar with Coachable but full disclosure, I co-founded a program for experienced engineers called Formation that partially competes with Coachable (we work mostly with experienced engineers and are not a good fit for most new grads). So there are no shortcuts or secret pathways to jobs right now. You are paying to have a coach work with you to improve you odds and to leverage their experience. 1. Coachable is run by someone who has a few years at Google and has a dozen coaches or so who went through Coachable and came back as coaches. Their approach is very aggressive: exaggerate your resume, aggressively message recruiters with messages they help write, and hope that something lands. Some people find this approach of exaggerating a little sketchy, some find it a means to an ends. Ultimately it's up to you but the key here is to ask for HOW it works instead of just looking at the headlines. 2. I'm very suspicious of their numbers. They say that 91% of people make $160K but they also say the average income is $140K. If you do the math, even if 9% of people make ZERO, the average is above $140K. In other places it looks more like 91% of people get placed AND INDEPENDENTLY the median income is $160Kish, which are very different statements than 91% of people make !$160K. 1. This page says the median is $145K [https://www.coachable.dev/faq](https://www.coachable.dev/faq) 2. This page says a median of $164K and a 90% placement rate [https://www.coachable.dev/program](https://www.coachable.dev/program) 3. "91% of our students land jobs paying $165,000" https://www.coachable.dev/pricing 3. They don't provide any time frames or details on how their numbers are calculated and that's a red flag, unless they can answer more details privately. I worked at Facebook from 2009 to 2017, it grew from 200 engineers to about 10,000 engineers. I interviewed hundreds of people. But my team now at Formation has numerous people with the same background. And we have over a hundred coaches with the same background. We have a dozen FAANG recruiters mentoring people. So I can confidently say there are no shortcuts or magical ways to get a job. It's skill, luck, persistence, location, goals, so whatever you do, if you want to pay a lot of money for extra coaching don't expect miracles - talk to them about the pros and cons and figure out the right thing for you.

Yeah a couple people who went through their program and my partner at Formation spoke to their founder a few years ago. You should absolutely not trust me though about anything! It might be a great fit for you. Just for any program or coaching you look into you want to know how it works and not just be convinced by the big numbers on a website, even for my own program. Some things to ask: 1. Ask them to explain outcomes in more detail. Where were the last 10, 20, 30 placements? How do they calculate the numbers on the website? The numbers on their website are clearly inconsistent and you need a more practical picture of the outcomes. 2. What is a typical day or week look like? 3. What kinds of strategies help a Coachable student do better than a random new grad? 4. Ask to talk to alumni who have a similar background as yourself and ask them about their day to day and what is good and bad. No program is perfect for everyone so trying to get the most examples of the day to day is ideal so you can judge if those things sound good or bad to you. Feel free to message me if you want to share more personal details about your background. I have had a long career in the industry and I want to help point people in the right direction however I can and happy to help you out.

Sorry another good question to ask is to clarify the payment policy. Like what does a $100K job mean on paper, and what happens if you just give up and leave halfway though? Do you have to pay anything? Don't make assumptions and get official answers.

What happens if you have an onsite at Google in three weeks. Then you leave Coachable in two weeks, don't pay anything because you don't have a job paying $100K, and then pass the Google onsite and get an offer? I run a program where a number of people change their minds about their job hunt, change their goals, or all kinds of things, and we've seen everything and we're still small, so presumably Coachable has seen all kinds of people trying to take advantage of their guarantee and protected against it.

I don't know anyone who has gone through the entire program and got a job, but I highly recommend asking them for people who have who are not on their website to have a quick async chat, or call with.

u/swiggityswooty9 If you have answers to the questions above, can you explain more how they calculate the numbers on their website? Lambda School was sued yesterday for fraud because of misleading numbers on their website and something doesn't add up with Coachable's numbers as they are right now. If you don't feel comfortable sharing the answers, can you say whether you think the numbers are representing the outcomes properly?