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Codesmith or AppAcademy?

2 of Michael's comments in this thread · View thread on Reddit ↗

u/Miserable_Yam_3405 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Isn't this pretty bad? I thought codesmith grads were usually getting offers right out of the program?

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
It's a crazy tough job market right now and you can't invent jobs that don't exist. Even with an optimized Codesmith resume, you are competing with multi-year ex-FAANG engineers and it's not enough anymore. My team is working around the clock to figure out ways to get early career people opportunities and we've really had to be creative: house-built job hunting tool, sourcing jobs for people, having FAANG recruiters as mentors, direct referrals, resumes books, even a partnership with Netflix, and people are still getting frustrated with the job hunt and not getting many interviews. So I can only imagine what it's like being a bootcamp grad in this market where you are mostly job hunting on your own. I'm fairly connected in the industry and 8 out of 36 in 4 months isn't bad, It will hopefully end up being 40% or so. We won't see the impact on CIRR until results come out in Sept 2023 though. I think we're going to see a few bootcamps shut down this year, and we're going to see changes to cost. The best bootcamps are going to move from the ones with the highest salaries, to the ones with the best hiring partnerships just to get people good jobs.

u/constantcube13 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):

Hey Michael, I was looking into doing a bootcamp… as I am bored in tech sales and want something more stimulating. Do you think the best move is to hold off until the market recovers? It seemed like codesmith had very quick placements beforehand

u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
I actually disagree Codesmith had quick placements beforehand. They have always had most people placed in the 3 to 6 month post graduation timeframe. After spending 3 months, 11 hours a day in a program, taking at least 3 more months of job hunting can feel like a long time. As Triathlete said, the salaries are a lot lower as well and I think people are probably going off script and taking more junior or entry level roles. I think the strategy of going for mid-level and senior roles when you have zero experience, in this market, is a terrible strategy. If Codesmith is still advocating this, I would be more concerned. That strategy is NOT going to work for the foreseeable future and probably why the placements are so low so far this year. That said, if you have a lot of time, I always advocate for starting sooner and being better prepared when more jobs come back.